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    Don't have a big problem going Duren if Mathurin is off the board

    Whether or not Poeltl is extended, having 48 minutes of good center play, or at least competent center play, would improve the team. I think Eubanks, Landale and Collins proved the Spurs still could use an upgrade at back up center. Sure, Koloko will probably be there for the Boston pick, but he wouldn't improve the defensive rebounding at all.

    I might lean more into having Daniels and Sochan and Eason above him as the draft draws closer

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    Early? He's almost 19... if he's eligible and doesn't play because:
    https://twitter.com/ukcoachcalipari/...988507143?s=21

    again: if he's that good, why does he need an extra preparation year than everyone else? his parents and his coach don't think he's good enough for College level basketball right now, it seems... He's almost 19, doesn't add up... unless they're counting on people going by hype, which doesn't speak well of their confidence in his abilities.

    I reiterate: he seems to be a talented kid. But he is more unproven than most other guys his age, and cir stances surrounding his situation are unusual, at the very least. He may very well end up the best player in the draft, I don't dispute that. It's the fact that we're acting as if it's a given that I have a problem with.
    Could be the program at Kentucky. Do they start many freshman out of high school there? Again if you want him proven then he goes number 1. He's probably going 5-8, somewhere just before the Spurs pick.

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    Don't have a big problem going Duren if Mathurin is off the board

    Whether or not Poeltl is extended, having 48 minutes of good center play, or at least competent center play, would improve the team. I think Eubanks, Landale and Collins proved the Spurs still could use an upgrade at back up center. Sure, Koloko will probably be there for the Boston pick, but he wouldn't improve the defensive rebounding at all.

    I might lean more into having Daniels and Sochan and Eason above him as the draft draws closer
    Don't like Sochan at all. Seems like an over hyped player on this board like Louis Scola was.

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    Lol if the Spurs didn't trade Scola in 2007 they are contending from 2009-2011 instead of becoming first round fodder for those 3 years. They probably beat the Lakers in 2008 with Scola.

    But lets not dig up old wounds.

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    I said this in another thread but him and Jak would be unplayable on offense. You could draft Duren and trade away Jak but they feels like a sideways move at best and rewinds the contending clock.

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    Man, Houston is gonna be scary good and deep in a few years.
    It doesn't matter.
    Their FO is manned by weirdo maniacs. Like the town's football team, which is a weird coincidence.

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    The difference between those guys and Duren is that Duren can’t shoot and isn’t as quick on the perimeter. If you play Duren with a non-shooting center, that’s ugly basketball nowadays.

    It always intrigues me that so many fans say that the Spurs' old school big men are trash in the New NBA, but a shiny new one is the answer. A lot of the same people thought, and probably still think, that Boban should be getting 30 minutes a night because his PER36 numbers are so incredible.

    Duren will be situational. He'll get some big dunks and blocks. The Spurs need a PF - he's not one.

    If Duren lives up to his maximum potential, maybe exceeds it, he IS Dwight Howard. Chances are, he won't be nearly that good.

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    duren is nerlens noel redux

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    Scola thread!

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    Not with lotto pick, if he falls until our 2nd or 3rd pick in 1st, sure. Doubt that happens though

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    Lol if the Spurs didn't trade Scola in 2007 they are contending from 2009-2011 instead of becoming first round fodder for those 3 years. They probably beat the Lakers in 2008 with Scola.

    But lets not dig up old wounds.
    Like I said Spur fans over hype Scola.

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    It doesn't matter.
    Their FO is manned by weirdo maniacs. Like the town's football team, which is a weird coincidence.
    The football ones are creepy, religious zealots, and MAGAts. The basketball ones are just MAGAts best as I know. But you're right, all human filth.

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    I wouldn't touch Holmgren. He's the biggest bust potential in the top few picks. Don't like white centers in general and add to that a skinny one, not built for the rigors of the NBA, will likely not get through an entire season without breaking down with injury. If you're picking top three need to avoid the highest bust potential.
    He wouldn't exactly be my first choice either. My top choice would be Jabari Smith, but given that we'll likely be picking at 9, I would be happy with Jalen Duren.

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    I'd be disappointed with Duren. I thin he's shorter than listed and, while he's obviously a physical specimen and has good skills, he duplicates what we already have with Poeltl, if much less seasoned, and Poeltl is our second best player pretty easily. If the team feels Poeltl will be too expensive, then, sure, trade him, I'm just not excited about the pick. I'm also not sure if the type of player who goes to Memphis is a character fit for this franchise, frankly.

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    One of the reasons I think I've posted before for wanting a vertical big, just like how I wanted John Collins, is having a credible lob threat for the first time in forever.

    For the love of God get Dejounte a lob threat.

    There a Dunc'd On podcast last week or so on the free feed ranking the best point guards and they had Dejounte low and one or their reasons for having him so low was that he wasn't a real passer and despite his assist numbers he wasn't doing the kinds of assists that guys like Trae Young was doing. Well, no Dejounte isn't, because it's real easy for Trae to get those great assists because he's throwing lobs to Capela, Collins, and Okongwu all game long.

    Let's see how many assists he gets when he has to deliver the ball to Jakob's waist because he can't get up, or the other stiffs the Spurs have

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    Same guy here made 2 videos: 1 from Derrick White with San Antonio this year when he was traded, and one at the end of the regular season with just Boston footage.

    Compare the alley oops and passes to the rim White had in his highlight reel in Boston to San Antonio. A lot of Spurs fans like to pooh pooh White's impact because of his poor shooting numbers, but he's probably even better now ... Because he now has lob threats to play with.




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    I'd be disappointed with Duren. I thin he's shorter than listed and, while he's obviously a physical specimen and has good skills, he duplicates what we already have with Poeltl, if much less seasoned, and Poeltl is our second best player pretty easily. If the team feels Poeltl will be too expensive, then, sure, trade him, I'm just not excited about the pick. I'm also not sure if the type of player who goes to Memphis is a character fit for this franchise, frankly.
    Anyone hear that Duren has a bad character? Don't miss out on players for Spur character BS.

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    Same guy here made 2 videos: 1 from Derrick White with San Antonio this year when he was traded, and one at the end of the regular season with just Boston footage.

    Compare the alley oops and passes to the rim White had in his highlight reel in Boston to San Antonio. A lot of Spurs fans like to pooh pooh White's impact because of his poor shooting numbers, but he's probably even better now ... Because he now has lob threats to play with.



    White is playing with better athletes.

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    Anyone hear that Duren has a bad character? Don't miss out on players for Spur character BS.
    Memphis is a big red flag.

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    One of the reasons I think I've posted before for wanting a vertical big, just like how I wanted John Collins, is having a credible lob threat for the first time in forever.

    For the love of God get Dejounte a lob threat.

    There a Dunc'd On podcast last week or so on the free feed ranking the best point guards and they had Dejounte low and one or their reasons for having him so low was that he wasn't a real passer and despite his assist numbers he wasn't doing the kinds of assists that guys like Trae Young was doing. Well, no Dejounte isn't, because it's real easy for Trae to get those great assists because he's throwing lobs to Capela, Collins, and Okongwu all game long.

    Let's see how many assists he gets when he has to deliver the ball to Jakob's waist because he can't get up, or the other stiffs the Spurs have
    Yes, Spurs need to add some talent that can play above the rim. They no longer have Tim Duncan who will bail them out.

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    Memphis is a big red flag.
    Why?

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    A player goes to Memphis when they don't want to be disciplined or coached and probably make some money. Wiseman going there was a red flag. That he couldn't even hack that was even worse. Anyway, you go to Memphis when you're an AAU type and don't really care about anything else.

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    Memphis players always seem raw and run around in confusion a lot doing what they want it seems. But compared to say, Precious Achiuwa, Duren is 2 years younger for his draft and I don't think he's as undisciplined.

    I have heard draftniks talk up the poor guard play at Memphis and the notion that there's still some untapped unknown potential if he gets with competent NBA guards.

    Same thing was said about Favors at Georgia Tech if I remember right, but he never became a star.

    Favors might be a fair analog. Back in 2010 bigs were still king in the draft, besides Favors and Cousins, there was also Udoh, Monroe, and Aldrich in the lottery. Duren might have gone before Favors if he was in that draft.

    Favors never played with a point guard half as good as Dejounte until his 7th year in the league when the Jazz had George Hill. Before that was a lot of Raul Neto, Trey Burke, Jamaal Tinsley, Dante Drum, etc etc. He actually didn't have good coaching until his 5th year when Snyder arrived

    If Duren had a career like Favors, even though there's a recent injury caused decline, that wouldn't be so bad for the 9th pick.

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    Here's Favors' combine measurements, and hopefully Duren will measure at the combine too for comparison

    Favors: 6-8.75 barefoot
    Wingspan: 7-4
    Standing reach: 9-2

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