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How many rapes did MLK condone?
If roles were switched, how do you know MLK would not have enslaved the natives or murdered or pillaged? How do you know that you wouldn't have? The mindset was different and the world view was different back then. Everyone has a dark side, whether its me, you, or MLK or Christopher Columbus. You can't judge someone that lived under different society norms 500 years ago with today's worldview that is strictly against colonialism. Was killing people and winning wars and establishing colonies celebrated 500 years ago? Yes. Society celebrated Columbus and it speared other people wanting to explore the new world. Heck, murdering and conquering people is celebrated today too when countries are at war.
That's the problem I have with the whole Christopher Columbus argument. First, most of what we know about him was written in the journal of one of his enemies. So it's hardly definitive. History is just that way. But even assuming everything the new age of historians are claiming, well, how far out of the norm was it in that society? It was totally normal and not shocking at all. Even the indigenous people murdered and plundered other tribes and raped, etc. and yet we want to celebrate them. I'm sure you would not object to renaming Columbus Day to Indigenous Day even though they perpetrated the same things on each other that Columbus did.
I just think holidays are about celebrating certain accomplishments and not the life of the person. In school, they focus on Columbus's role in mainstreaming the discovery and explorations of the new world. That journey he did was courageous and was a significant and monumental journey that aided in the development of society in the North and South American continents. But if you don't agree and you want to diminish his accomplishments and erase him from history, go ahead and keep trying.
How many rapes did MLK condone?
LOL I can't judge slavery and genocide because it was 500 years ago. LOL still can't tell me how many people MLK enslaved.
I don't know. How many?
This exemplifies everything wrong with giving dumb s on the internet a platform.
It’s gross negligence of thought.
This is brain rot or even under development of the brain.
If posting was Down Syndrome or better yet Autism they’d rename the spectrum in your honor.
You’re the Columbus of re s.
No one wants to erase history. An accurate acknowledgment would be nice. We haven’t erased Hitler, we acknowledge the atrocities. There’s a certain amount of respect for humanity that you wits simply don’t grasp.
Last edited by BacktoBasics; 10-12-2022 at 10:12 PM.
bruh they are trying to change columbus day to indigenous peoples day.......the hypocrisy is never ending with the left.......
if the full story is taught then indegenous people should be amongst the cretins of history where they belong
bruh they are trying to change columbus day to indigenous peoples day.......the hypocrisy is never ending with the left.......
You're aware that it simply resets the notion that the Americas (New World) were "discovered?"
The resetting of history recasts the anglicazation of history that celebrated the idea of a land being discovered that had already been inhabited for more than 12,000-15,000 years, perhaps as many as 20,000 years, at this point.
This isn't hard as to why people want to reference it as Indigenous People's Day. And at bo point does it "whitewash" anything from those histories. In fact, I know far more about their incivilities towards one another than I did Columbus' until 4 years ago. What does that say about our penchant for telling the full story of history?
lumping all violence and acts of crime under one banner is just intellectually lazy. try picking up an anthropology, sociology or philosophy text every now and then.
Last edited by rjv; 10-13-2022 at 11:55 AM.
the Columbus apologists are MAD
I'd be fine with an Italian-American day that didn't glorify a single raping genocidal slaver.bruh they are trying to change columbus day to indigenous peoples day.......the hypocrisy is never ending with the left.......
bruh they are trying to change columbus day to indigenous peoples day.......the hypocrisy is never ending with the left.......
never mind the fact that columbus killed 250,000+ natives when he landed in Haiti. but yeah they used to have scarifies in their culture so it makes it okay!
playblair is giving ducks a run for his money on the least likely to get an invite to Mensa poster.
You guys did realize that Columbus' reputation was "restored" around mid/late 1800's because the good ole US of A just wanted to piss off the UK and legitimize their national standing, right?
So why is it OK to revise his reputation 300 years after he died but not OK to recorrect it after 500?
So it'd be totally kosher for you to have, say, China, come in and kill and rape Americans today, reducing the population from 330 million down to 3 million because there are murders, rapes and capital punishments in the US now? I am not really catching your logic.bruh they are trying to change columbus day to indigenous peoples day.......the hypocrisy is never ending with the left.......
I guess it was OK to genocide them, then...
Civilisations had all kind of weird cults throuhout the world (human scacrifice, sending dudes fight lions in arenas, nailing fantasy prophets on crosses... Some Egyptians and Vikkings were killing lords/pharaon servants when their lords were dead so they follow him in the grave.. And when your siege was succesfull in the middle age you could happily slaughter everyone and rape the rest... that's when you weren't burned alive for being a redhead or tortured for being a protestant...
Nah about celebrating that barbary... Well...
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And because of course in 2022, if not for Colombus, native americans would still do all of that.. Just like today's Europe is exactly the same as Columbus days... torutre, slavery, rapes and stuff...
Only talk about politics if it's something you agree with is what the OP means.
History isn’t politics.
I kind of miss the good old days (at least a decade ago) when Gregory treated the sports media like crap and provided them/they with the contempt they deserve. Mean old Popovich being dismissive of stupid questions instead of approval seeking Gregory receiving the softball questions and then going on his regular non-basketball rant. He is one of the cool kids now - living in the echo chamber.
Ugh thankfully a lot of good posts to rebut the stupidity in this thread.
Just want to add for the ignorant fools here that indigenous peoples in the Americas were thousands of different tribes and not all can be equivocated with Columbus' genocide, slavery, rape.
If that were the standard though, the same would apply to Europeans. The old and new testament are full of references to slavery and genocide, in fact one could argue that the logic within is an implicit recognition that it is wrong/bad as usually when slavery and rape are encouraged it is a punishment or vengeance, probably for indigenous peoples too but a lot of their history was intentionally destroyed by their conquerors
So if all you have as an argument is that everyone is terrible, remind us all again why some have noble statues and holidays while others are treated as primitive casualties of progress? Isn't it hypocritical how some want pop to call out china, but have nothing to say about morey not saying anything about Myanmar??
This kind of stupidity can go on forever, and unfortunately it probably will.
Oh, and Bartolomeo de las casas is a famous contemporary of Columbus, and clearly didn't share his standard and ethics, another example that neither indigenous people or Europeans were uniform blocks of genocidal rapists
I mean why should anyone care one way or another? This happened 500 years ago. People just love to complain about stuff. That’s all I really hear. It’s not like anybody actually celebrates Columbus Day. It’s just a bs holiday we gave to get a day off from stuff. If it really upsets you then take the day off and protest about it. Otherwise just chill.
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