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He fits on a team that should unload Jakob Poetle
Where does a vintage big fit on a winning team in todays league? It’s one thing to moderately fill a stat sheet coming off the bench of a team and quite another for that game to translate to real productivity on a winning team.
He fits on a team that should unload Jakob Poetle
I don’t think that’s a strong argument at all. Nothing about our teams offense revolves around traditional post play or slow half court ball.
He’s not a game changing big that you’d build your offense around either.
Whether you think it’s a smart argument is irrelevant. Primo was and always will be a horrible choice at 12. There were better players from a team and asset perspective.
Sengun isn’t a franchise player. Neither is Primo. It’s ok to recognize the FO ed up the #12 pick.
I'm glad you find happiness in picking low ceiling players. The draft is a risk. you are committing to the position that primo won't be an NBA player in his prime 4-6 years from now. Most picks outside the core top 4 lottery are speculative or role players. Given how badly the spurs suck they should pick guys like samanic and primo who look like potentially unicorn type players. Primo might be too stupid to reach his potential or too slow to be elite. jury is out but his body isn't finished and his floor is pretty good should he commit to being a 3 and D guy.
Primo if was drafted like Parker in 2001 would be doing exactly what he's doing now, being a slower, taller Reggie Geary.
Parker was a one man fast break on a slow Spurs team, getting to the rim. Primo is a one man dribble factory who can't be counted on to get to the nail. Parker got after it, he had no problem pulling from 3 until they worked on his shot and took that away from his role and got his efficiency up.
First 3 games off bench for 2nd year Primo, 68 minutes: 1-8 3pt fga. Parker first 3 games off bench as rookie: 53 minutes, 5-9 3pt fga in a non 3 point era. Spurs probably shoot 40% more 3s a game now and Parker still shot and made more than Primo.
The hope for Primo is that he starts taking and making off the dribble threes. Spot up is fine but that's a dime a dozen in the NBA. He probably can't help how slow he is but he could still be a more effective player.
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Sengun is doing fine. And still capable of being better with his shooting and really needs to cut down the turnovers, if he doesn't he'll have issues. 23 PER, 15 and 10. Diaw spent most of his Spurs time off the bench playing a role, and Sengun has a good chance to do the same thing. Boris wasn't an everyday starter until he was 23. Playing a role off the bench is Sengun being put into a position to succeed and that's fine.
The kid goes not positively influence the game in any facet. A lotto pick should do something, at least one thing.
Also, 2001 Parker still had to deal with hand checking. Primo has problems enough and that's without hand checking.
It relevant because you can’t effectively make your case.
Which is the point for most of the Sengun draft supporters here as I see it. We should have taken Sengun because he was a position of need at the 4, flexing to a small ball 5.
I know what timvp has said that others were potentially eyeing him in the late teens or early 20s but Pop clearly saw him as a potential nephew draft steal and the early results just don't bear out that assessment. He could have been gotten easily by trading back up into the late first round or trading a fairly average asset to whatever team drafted him if that's what PATFO really thought about him.
So it's not really about Primo to me and never has been. Kid should have been taken later and I'm sad for him he was a lotto pick. He would have likely been better off being lower. As it is, folks like Ryen Russillo and Bill Simmons and others have raked the Spurs over the coals for that pick. Also, PATFO is making the situation worse now by forcing him to play a position he is not equipped to play.
Sengun can barely cross halfcourt on HOU pace. People are just spouting stats.
Yeah, you can’t be right about Primo’s true position and then get Sengun’s position completely wrong. Come on, offset. Virtually no Rockets fan see him as being able to play as a PF right now.
Who says Rocket fans should influence where he'd play with the Spurs? Spurs offense is not the Rockets offense.
Pop doesn't have the athletic roster Houston does. He would undoubtedly play center in small ball lineups but playing a PF role aside from that like a Bobo did is precisely where he'd fit on our roster.
I mean, we Spurs fans can’t claim to know what Pop will do either. Just because there’s somewhat similar traits Sengun share with Bobo doesn’t mean he’s remotely as quick + extremely doubtful Pop has the same strategy now as he had ten years ago. Defense is much different now.
He’s not quick enough, period. He’s an undersized center.
An undersized center who produces off the bench or a slow guard who doesn't produce off the bench?
Of all the ways to examine the Primo pick and place it in context positively, I don't think bashing Sengun is the win people seem to think it is.
If he produces as a role player he produces. I remember people on this forum bashing Scola as a slow undersized big who couldn't handle NBA athletes and wouldn't somehow be able to play next to Duncan (lol!). But in real life had he joined the team in 05 or 06 they probably beat Dallas in 06 despite his flaws, provided Pop deemed him over himself. Because in the playoffs, in a 7 game series that ends in an OT game 7, having more quality minutes from bench players matters. And Scola didn't even come over until his age 27 season when he had a fully mature game. No one saw any of his growing pains.
Primo is a better prospect than Sengun. People just evaluate players like they are in a fantasy league with no position limit. Wright is building a future proof team, no need for a player like him. Don't even know why HOU would draft him if this is the team they are building.
Not bashing Sengun to pump up Primo. If we’re setting realistic expectations for Primo, we should set it for Sengun, too. Stating that his natural position is PF in today’s NBA is not realistic.
An exercise in futility. Time will tell….
Ok, but why? I have been generally supportive of all of the Spurs recent draft picks because I could understand the potential value of the player. Lonnie Walker had long arms and otherworldly athleticism (did not want him to leave), Luka Samanic had unicorn skills as a passer, ball handler, shooter, and post player (I still think he’ll be a good NBA player eventually), Keldon Johnson looked good right away as a do-it-all 3, and Vassell was supposed to be a next level defensive player. I don’t love the Sochan pick, but at least I get what his ceiling could be.
But what the does Primo do well? Outside of his draft status, what is there to be excited about? There isn’t even much from his one year in college that points toward who he could be in the future. And this is the guy Brian Wright thinks is a franchise player in the making?
There question becomes, what in the actual are they looking for?
Who cares? There's no opportunity cost. Let primo play. For s sake, last year was people pitching “play primo, put him in a corner to shoot 3s“ now people want to throw primo is the gas chamber. He can play 20 or 40minutes a game and not one thing changes.
Players take longer to train because they dont learn skills and . Learn to love slow growth and root for players. No matter how much you Brian wrights smarter than you.
I will argue that shooting the 3 with DRob and Timmy in the lineup gets you uncontested open 3’s. While Primo playing motion offense with the 2nd unit would be more contested. I agree that Tony was much polished than Primo at 19, mainly because of his international games. But we shouldn’t really compare Primo with Tony at 19. Tony was playing with two HOFer and a championship team. As Tony himself mentioned, most of his time he was just passing to those guys. Primo has not that luxury. Granted he could be getting better fg% shooting C&S. But this is rebuilding season, and I think Pop wants him to learn to facilitate, ala Demar. They can never have too many failitators. So those people, stop complaining Primo should not play PG. That’s a skill that if he gets better just makes Spurs better. It’s a rebuilding season.
Last edited by John B; 10-24-2022 at 11:17 AM.
I believe in Primo. I think he’ll be good. But he also was selected way too early in the draft. Just like Samanic, the Spurs drafted him much higher than he was worth. Just another of the many examples of terrible decision making by the front office in the post-Kawhi era.
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