Quickley and Anunoby both traded, you Brian Wrong

[rascal]

Just you watch now— Detroit is gonna make a panic trade for Siakim after being linked to OG and missing out. Making decisions out of fear and panic is exactly how NOT to run a front office. For that, I’m pleased the Spurs kept powder dry on those players honestly, and that management is aligned on being patient.

Detroit made a play and got Duren on draft day with a trade on the cheap while the Spurs sat back and missed out on getting him.

Now the Spurs are stuck playing Collins on the front line.

[baseline bum]

Eh, there are always players that will become available. It's not like Anunoby was leading the Raptors to the playoffs and if you tell me that the best guard available for the next three years is Quickley, then I think I'd take my 14% chance of getting Cooper Flagg.

Anunoby and Quickley were available because of pending free agency, and they were far and away the two best free agents available this summer for the Spurs since the Sixers are clearly going to max Maxey (who is also a RFA I think) and most of the rest of the FA class is guys like Paul George, Kawhi, James Harden and such. The best target now for this summer is Malik Monk. They could have Lavine but no thanks on that contract.

[rascal]

Anunoby and Quickley were available because of pending free agency, and they were far and away the two best free agents available this summer for the Spurs since the Sixers are clearly going to max Maxey (who is also a RFA I think) and most of the rest of the FA class is guys like Paul George, Kawhi, James Harden and such. The best target now for this summer is Malik Monk. They could have Lavine but no thanks on that contract.

Spurs aren't signing any big named free agents.

We go through this every year and they just don't operate like that.

[baseline bum]

Just you watch now— Detroit is gonna make a panic trade for Siakim after being linked to OG and missing out. Making decisions out of fear and panic is exactly how NOT to run a front office. For that, I’m pleased the Spurs kept powder dry on those players honestly, and that management is aligned on being patient.

You can have patience when you have a team that has potential for growth. Sochan and Branham ain't that and Keldon is who he is: a decent scoring option but a defensive turnstile who hurts you too much there to be starting material. Same for Collins. Spurs need to be making moves for guys would could realistically be put around Wemby and win or they'll end up like Cleveland watching their franchise walk to a competent team after year 7.

[baseline bum]

Spurs aren't signing any big named free agents.

We go through this every year and they just don't operate like that.

Anunoby and Quickley wouldn't have been big name free agents, that's Maxey, Kawhi, Siakam, etc. They're the kind of guys the Spurs could have signed by overpaying a bit vs more desirable markets.

[rascal]

Anunoby and Quickley wouldn't have been big name free agents, that's Maxey, Kawhi, Siakam, etc. They're the kind of guys the Spurs could have signed by overpaying a bit vs more desirable markets.

Those guys are big name free agent signings for the Spurs.

[scott]

Issue is, Quickley isn't a good fit. He's a worse fit than Keldon is. So any scenario that involves the Spurs paying Quickley market value on a long-term deal isn't a great use of resources. It's not enough to justify any acquisition with "I want to add talent to the team". There are plenty of ways to inappropriately add talent that doesn't help the team's long-term position. Trading for a pick to draft a PG and have him on a rookie salary for four years is not at all the same thing as trading for a young vet PG in order to pay substantial money to. I get that you weren't pushing for the Spurs to trade for Quickley, but practically speaking, he might not have been a realistic free-agent target if they hadn't.

Yes, I thought the Spurs winning again while showing a lot of progress in working with Wemby to create scoring opportunities would stop the spiraling STers are going through. The Spurs don't actually have a talent issue when the goal is to continue an organic rebuild. As I said, the only way out is through. Through doesn't mean making a trade using some undisclosed assets in the hope that the average NBA players are actually better than the players on the Spurs. It means surviving the year without substantial changes, get the best picks you have and then reevaluate. Your plan to have a starting PG and to use a top-10 pick on a backup is fine, but that PG doesn't have to be a young player on a long-term deal. The team doesn't need more young players with the ball forced in their hands. They need players who can help a motivated coaching staff get good things out of their talent, both already on the team and that will hopefully be brought in.

The team should be looking at continuing to add a lot of players in the draft over the next few years. Even if Wemby is going to pull a Lebron and will his team to the Finals in year four, it's quite possible the young impact players are mostly different than any of the guys on the team now. They shouldn't feel the pressure to acquire more young vets with an eye toward them being part of that hypothetical team. Unless they think the guy their acquiring is a future star, I'd much rather than look for older stabilizing players than giving out any long-term deals.

I’d be happy with a plan similar to the one I laid out above if you sub out Quickly for a short-term solution at PG. A quality vet who only needs to start for one or two years while the rookie develops properly under a good mentor.

Anyone out there fit that description who will be an upcoming FA and who will want to be here? Feels like guys like CP3 are going to use their final years ring chasing.

[Seventyniner]

I wonder if the Knicks had to drop their lawsuit against the Raptors as part of the deal?

[TD 21]

Issue is, Quickley isn't a good fit.

The Spurs don't actually have a talent issue when the goal is to continue an organic rebuild.

They shouldn't feel the pressure to acquire more young vets with an eye toward them being part of that hypothetical team. Unless they think the guy their acquiring is a future star, I'd much rather than look for older stabilizing players than giving out any long-term deals.

He was/is and even if he gets the 4/$100M he's supposedly seeking, should still be a neutral asset at least. Three and D, secondary creators can't not be and they especially are on teams who have players with unique ball skills at non traditional initiator positions and/or prefer to not have a heliocentric offense.

He could have been an starter while whatever PG of the future they ultimately draft develops and if they have positional size (a safe bet), he could play some alongside them and Vassell.

No, he doesn't provide rim pressure or plus playmaking, but good luck checking every box.

The Spurs do have a major talent issue. They're literally an unprecedently bad offensive team. They don't need to "blow their load" on an "all-in" move, but they do need some quality young veterans so that replacement players like Sochan and Branham aren't gifted starting jobs.

They need bridge players, even if they end up not being a part of the theoretical contention window or getting over the hump. I've said it ad nauseam, but Harris, Barton and Morris all had a hand in helping make the Nuggets contenders, but were turned into Gordon and Caldwell-Pope, who they needed to get over the hump.

[Dejounte]

He was/is and even if he gets the 4/$100M he's supposedly seeking, should still be a neutral asset at least. Three and D, secondary creators can't not be and they especially are on teams who have players with unique ball skills at non traditional initiator positions and/or prefer to not have a heliocentric offense.

He could have been an starter while whatever PG of the future they ultimately draft develops and if they have positional size (a safe bet), he could play some alongside them and Vassell.

No, he doesn't provide rim pressure or plus playmaking, but good luck checking every box.

The Spurs do have a major talent issue. They're literally an unprecedently bad offensive team. They don't need to "blow their load" on an "all-in" move, but they do need some quality young veterans so that replacement players like Sochan and Branham aren't gifted starting jobs.

They need bridge players, even if they end up not being a part of the theoretical contention window or getting over the hump. I've said it ad nauseam, but Harris, Barton and Morris all had a hand in helping make the Nuggets contenders, but were turned into Gordon and Caldwell-Pope, who they needed to get over the hump.

I agree with all this except I disagree that Quickley isn’t an all-in move. His asking price will handicap the team’s future moves some, and I think from recent statements, the Spurs want to stay as flexible as they can to make more worthwhile moves. I want the team to find a stop gap vet as much as anybody, I don’t necessarily think Quickley is the answer. Harris, Barton, and Pope were guys that didn’t cost the Nuggets much, so I hope the Spurs can find those types of guys at a similar cost.

[scott]

Great thoughts by all, thank you Chinook, TD 21 and Dejounte. While the exact players you choose are like picking flavors of ice cream (everyone has their own favorites), I do think a general consensus is starting to congeal around the path forward here. While Chinook's opinion is slightly more divergent in regard to the opinion of the talent level here (and TD 21's opinion of Vassell is more positive than mine), we all seem to agree that some major transformation needs to start happening this coming offseason.

[Dejounte]

-The Spurs are failing to meet expectations this year as far as winning.

-The Spurs are viewing this year as a year to feel things out and see who fits

-Before the start of the 2023-2024 season, the Spurs have viewed the 2024 offseason as the offseason to make moves equipped with or without a top draft pick in 2024

All of these things CAN be true. What would be false would be to say is that everything that has led up to now is a result of the Spurs masterminding every move, every win, every loss, and that everything happening was expected. The real answer is that they are PREPARED. I would be utterly surprised if we dont see major moves this upcoming offseason.

the Spurs have been preaching in interviews about wanting to be able to pivot in any cir stance they’re in, so they can adapt to whatever is necessary… it’s OK to accept an L for what has happened so far this season, but IMO, all L’s come with W’s and the W here is that players reveal who they are more quickly which will accelerate any move that needs to be done and the Spurs will be ready for it because they’re keeping that flexibility.

[The Truth #6]

So what can we trade to make a move? Our long-term picks, which isn't happening. Keldon. Boston swaps. The Toronto pick. And the Atlanta picks, which look to be the best. The Charlotte pick doesn't seem to have much value yet and honestly I forget the details of the Chicago pick if that's even still around.

I'm ok trading Keldon, the Toronto picks, maybe even this year's pick after the lottery. But trading the Atlanta picks seems risky which makes me think the FO will leave them. We'd have to get at least a third banana to trade the Atlanta picks.

Obviously that's enough to work with to make something happen. But it also suggests a lot of waiting year by year.

I think the move is this Summer with our pick, the Toronto pick, and Keldon if needed. For a small market, trading those Atlanta picks early seems like a fireable offense.

But then what youngish creator can we get? Jaden Ivey? Curious what others think.

[kxs783kms]

After reading an article about the Knicks-Toronto trade, I see why some things are the way they are. Toronto is getting closer and closer to being one of the 6 worst teams record wise. If they become that and end the season as that, the Spurs lose that top 10 pick. Why would the Spurs help out by having a better record than them? The Spurs being one of the worst teams in the league only helps their cause. They're one more team helping keep Toronto outside of the bottom 6.

[Dejounte]

So what can we trade to make a move? Our long-term picks, which isn't happening. Keldon. Boston swaps. The Toronto pick. And the Atlanta picks, which look to be the best. The Charlotte pick doesn't seem to have much value yet and honestly I forget the details of the Chicago pick if that's even still around.

I'm ok trading Keldon, the Toronto picks, maybe even this year's pick after the lottery. But trading the Atlanta picks seems risky which makes me think the FO will leave them. We'd have to get at least a third banana to trade the Atlanta picks.

Obviously that's enough to work with to make something happen. But it also suggests a lot of waiting year by year.

I think the move is this Summer with our pick, the Toronto pick, and Keldon if needed. For a small market, trading those Atlanta picks early seems like a fireable offense.

But then what youngish creator can we get? Jaden Ivey? Curious what others think.

Malaki, Zach Collins, McDermott, Osman can all go tbh

I would probably try to get Caruso if I could. Or someone similar. Steven Adams, Valenciunas or however it’s spelled. A real backup C.

[The Truth #6]

Caruso is solid. Good all around, not great. Probably undervalued. If we traded Keldon for him that would help the team, and hopefully would get something more back. Then you have draft capital to use or trade to get the second banana. Caruso is a weak third banana but with Wemby and another star and role players that we still have you're at least a better team. Anyway, just rambling.

[Dejounte]

Caruso is solid. Good all around, not great. Probably undervalued. If we traded Keldon for him that would help the team, and hopefully would get something more back. Then you have draft capital to use or trade to get the second banana. Caruso is a weak third banana but with Wemby and another star and role players that we still have you're at least a better team. Anyway, just rambling.

My aim with trades (at least at this point in Wemby’s career) would be to get good stopgap players at low-mid cost. I don’t get the fascination with centering a trade around Keldon. A scoring wing with no defense still provides a lot to a team when said player is coming off the bench. That’s hard to find around the league.

[mo7888]

My aim with trades (at least at this point in Wemby’s career) would be to get good stopgap players at low-mid cost. I don’t get the fascination with centering a trade around Keldon. A scoring wing with no defense still provides a lot to a team when said player is coming off the bench. That’s hard to find around the league.

You are talking about in-season trades correct? Not the bigger moves this summer..

[onechance87]

-The Spurs are failing to meet expectations this year as far as winning.

-The Spurs are viewing this year as a year to feel things out and see who fits

-Before the start of the 2023-2024 season, the Spurs have viewed the 2024 offseason as the offseason to make moves equipped with or without a top draft pick in 2024

All of these things CAN be true. What would be false would be to say is that everything that has led up to now is a result of the Spurs masterminding every move, every win, every loss, and that everything happening was expected. The real answer is that they are PREPARED. I would be utterly surprised if we dont see major moves this upcoming offseason.

the Spurs have been preaching in interviews about wanting to be able to pivot in any cir stance they’re in, so they can adapt to whatever is necessary… it’s OK to accept an L for what has happened so far this season, but IMO, all L’s come with W’s and the W here is that players reveal who they are more quickly which will accelerate any move that needs to be done and the Spurs will be ready for it because they’re keeping that flexibility.

yet they gave collins and vassell contract extensions....Took so much of our cap space just to not fit with
wemby and be a worst team.

[Dejounte]

yet they gave collins and vassell contract extensions....Took so much of our cap space just to not fit with
wemby and be a worst team.

Yeah, like I said, the Spurs can take their L’s with moves they made — i don’t think those extensions make them as handicapped as a contract for Quickley would. Collins is a stat stuffer (albeit an empty calories one) and some dumb team will probably fall for it. Vassell may get better when he’s not forced to do too much.

[spurraider21]

Collins has been a massive disappointment tbh. Some were higher on him than others but nobody saw this year’s performance coming

[onechance87]

Collins has been a massive disappointment tbh. Some were higher on him than others but nobody saw this year’s performance coming

pretty much everyone has been a disappointment...Half this team should be gone this summer...Either no talent or
they not trying or no heart...No way we run it back with the same team next year

[exstatic]

So what can we trade to make a move? Our long-term picks, which isn't happening. Keldon. Boston swaps. The Toronto pick. And the Atlanta picks, which look to be the best. The Charlotte pick doesn't seem to have much value yet and honestly I forget the details of the Chicago pick if that's even still around.

I'm ok trading Keldon, the Toronto picks, maybe even this year's pick after the lottery. But trading the Atlanta picks seems risky which makes me think the FO will leave them. We'd have to get at least a third banana to trade the Atlanta picks.

Obviously that's enough to work with to make something happen. But it also suggests a lot of waiting year by year.

I think the move is this Summer with our pick, the Toronto pick, and Keldon if needed. For a small market, trading those Atlanta picks early seems like a fireable offense.

But then what youngish creator can we get? Jaden Ivey? Curious what others think.

The move with the Toronto pick is going to be selecting and keeping a player with it. Same with our pick. Those aren’t being traded.

[exstatic]

After reading an article about the Knicks-Toronto trade, I see why some things are the way they are. Toronto is getting closer and closer to being one of the 6 worst teams record wise. If they become that and end the season as that, the Spurs lose that top 10 pick. Why would the Spurs help out by having a better record than them? The Spurs being one of the worst teams in the league only helps their cause. They're one more team helping keep Toronto outside of the bottom 6.

That’s not correct. The pick’s owner is determined after the draft lottery, not at the end of the season, and even if they finish at #6, we still have a better than even chance they get bumped back after the lottery, like 54%. If they finish at #7, it’s like 69% that we get the pick.

[baseline bum]

Would have sucked to have traded for this guy