Around the League / Regular Season Thread (Upstairs Version)

[spurraider21]

Man, don't take this the wrong way, but if you're watching LaMello Ball and think you're watching a smart basketball player, I don't know what to tell you. He'll have one game where things work and then he'll have three where he's absolute -- except for morons who don't know what they're looking at like you -- and lose games. His shot selection and decision making is ing abominable.

ing learn basketball.

He’s one of the most talented passers in the league, is a good shooter, gets to the rim with his handling. No he’s not the highest iq player out there but he’s both talented and productive.

[rascal]

last year they were one of the deepest teams in the league. right now their bench is miles mcbride (playing well today) and cameron payne

Celtics don't have anything off the bench either.

[timtonymanu]

Watching scoot Henderson on the blazers and im just thinking if spurs missed out on Wemby and took him instead.

[lefty20]

Harden did not want that W. Missed the shot in regulation. Missed the FT to tie it on OT. Turned it over to seal the L.

Bro trying his best to get OKC top pick.

[lefty]

lol, no. This is what little children say.

Players nowadays are barely skilled. Can they hit jump shots? Yes. That's pretty much the only thing they can do. Barely any of them can dribble, much less execute anything beyond swinging the ball to the perimeter. No ability to break down defenses or make significant reads. The officials do most of the work for them.

It's amazing how stupid people can be about skill levels. It's just dumb to think these players now have any variable skillsets whatsoever.

terrible take, clearly you don’t watch any game

What kind of nostalgia bubble do you live in?

[timtonymanu]

Of course he doesn’t like LaMelo either.

Mrs. Body only makes excuses for them if they’re ty G league scrubs with marginal talent.not even worth it like bene said.

[Pauleta14]

Maybe nash suns and the 2012 - 2014 spurs could stand a chance. Other old time teams just don't play fast enough or shoot enough 3's to keep up.

The slowest teams in todays nba as far as pace play faster than the fastest teams from the 2000 and most of them from the 2010's.

Those teams just literally wouldn't be able to get shots up fast enough and make enough of them to compete with even someone like the sacramento kings, let alone boston or dallas.

Imagine a team with Shaq and Kobe on it consistently trying to shoot AT LEAST 30 three's a game.

POs bb is much slower and tactical than RS and great teams know how to impose THEIR tempo.

What they'd give up in 3s they take back in the paint and with a MUCH higher IQ than this childish generation.

I genuinely don't understand how and why so many are overrating this era tbh, maybe recency bias, but the drop is massive compared to a couple decades ago IMHO.

[Pauleta14]

He’s one of the most talented passers in the league, is a good shooter, gets to the rim with his handling. No he’s not the highest iq player out there but he’s both talented and productive.

Highly talented and entertaining but can you build a contender around him?

To me he's in the Westbrook, Harden ... group. Too cynical, to individual to be a leader

[lefty20]

[Maddog]

Watching scoot Henderson on the blazers and im just thinking if spurs missed out on Wemby and took him instead.

Shows you what I know about drafting- or to some extent what a crap shoot it is- I had serious doubts about Miller and so far he's clearly a better choice than Scoot.
Still early

[spurraider21]

Highly talented and entertaining but can you build a contender around him?

To me he's in the Westbrook, Harden ... group. Too cynical, to individual to be a leader

i mean, maybe. but those guys have led teams to playoff runs.

[Pauleta14]

i mean, maybe. but those guys have led teams to playoff runs.

And he could too and he can also change.

Tbh I get it, they play the (business) game at their advantage in a league where your career earnings are based on individual performances.

That's also why we need to appreciate when some kids from this generation like Wemby has "old school"/team mindset.

[lefty]

POs bb is much slower and tactical than RS and great teams know how to impose THEIR tempo.

What they'd give up in 3s they take back in the paint and with a MUCH higher IQ than this childish generation.

I genuinely don't understand how and why so many are overrating this era tbh, maybe recency bias, but the drop is massive compared to a couple decades ago IMHO.

the 90s is the most overrated era
Diluted league woth ty scrubs, and basic offensive and defensive schemes
IQ? lol you have to rewatch those games, IQ wasn’t any higher

It’s hard to watch

nostalgia smh

[spurraider21]

And he could too and he can also change.

Tbh I get it, they play the (business) game at their advantage in a league where your career earnings are based on individual performances.

That's also why we need to appreciate when some kids from this generation like Wemby has "old school"/team mindset.

for the spurs purposes, all we need lamelo to do is get the hornets into the playoffs this year so we can get their pick. whether he's the guy to eventually give that franchise a trophy is a different question

[Dex]

Leaked "In Season Tournament" court designs:

https://static01.nyt.com/athletic/up...p-Courts-4.png

[spurraider21]

the bright colored ones are an eyesore on TV

[heyheymymy]

yeah last year the red color courts were making my eyes bleed

[Pauleta14]

the 90s is the most overrated era
Diluted league woth ty scrubs, and basic offensive and defensive schemes
IQ? lol you have to rewatch those games, IQ wasn’t any higher

It’s hard to watch

nostalgia smh

I might be a bit nostalgic/biased, but I have a nuanced view of the comparisons between eras.

Add/tolerate physicality and you change the whole equation for ex. As great as Curry is, he wouldn't have had the same career in the 90'

Change the way refs call (publically admitted by Adam Silver) and you paticipate in the inflation of scoring (yes, 3pts era as well)

When I talk about bbiq, it's actually too vague so I understand ur reaction, it's more targetted and I was for ex thinking of Bigs game that maybe progressed on the perimeter but lost a lot of in terms of fundamentals in the post (the bbiq I was reff to).
Just watch today's bigs, most would be destroyed by Hakeem in the post just with his technique. Barkley was more adapted to today's game almost with his mobility

I agree on the backcourt evolution tho, even if talent is talent and most would have worked on their 3pts game.

[LeBowen]

It was way more difficult for first options back in the day because role players were way worse on offense and it was way easier to focus on just one or two threats.
As for the rules, I posted this video before, but imo is well worth a watch for any basketball fan:

[lefty]

I might be a bit nostalgic/biased, but I have a nuanced view of the comparisons between eras.

Add/tolerate physicality and you change the whole equation for ex. As great as Curry is, he wouldn't have had the same career in the 90'

Change the way refs call (publically admitted by Adam Silver) and you paticipate in the inflation of scoring (yes, 3pts era as well)

When I talk about bbiq, it's actually too vague so I understand ur reaction, it's more targetted and I was for ex thinking of Bigs game that maybe progressed on the perimeter but lost a lot of in terms of fundamentals in the post (the bbiq I was reff to).
Just watch today's bigs, most would be destroyed by Hakeem in the post just with his technique. Barkley was more adapted to today's game almost with his mobility

I agree on the backcourt evolution tho, even if talent is talent and most would have worked on their 3pts game.

I think that ultimately every era has its strengths and shortcomings
And players and coaches are products of their era, there is nothing they can do about that.

There are things I like and hate about 90s ball, but there also things I like and hate about today’s game

[Leetonidas]

Nephew's personal trainer is suing the Clippers claiming they subjected Kawhi to illegal and dangerous treatment what a show

[Sugus]

It was way more difficult for first options back in the day because role players were way worse on offense and it was way easier to focus on just one or two threats.
As for the rules, I posted this video before, but imo is well worth a watch for any basketball fan:

The video is a perfect representation of why the discussion is so stupid.

The only area of basketball that modern players are unarguably better/greater at than previous eras is shooting, and even then it's much favored by the rules that enable offensive shooters with so much space (no illegal defense), freedom of moving/dribbling, hesi-moves to generate separation, etc etc etc.

A game of teams across eras would be entirely defined by the ruleset applied. Sure, Curry can out-shoot the Jordan Bulls or the Bird Celtics... But what is he gonna do if he's called for dribbling and traveling violations on every single play? It would be impossible to adjust on the fly, you'd need extensive time training under the "old rules" to naturally play that way during a compe ive game.

Having said that, the hypothetical scenarios are fun to muse around. Would love to see Shaq with 4 shooters spacing him out tbh.

[goliath]

He also claimed the clippers tampered with Neph when he was a Spur

[Maddog]

Nephew's personal trainer is suing the Clippers claiming they subjected Kawhi to illegal and dangerous treatment what a show

Interesting tidbits

Beginning in 2017, while Leonard remained under contract with the Spurs, Shelton said a Clippers executive contacted him to seek "private health information" about Leonard and expressed the need for "discretion." The two sides spoke approximately 15 times on the phone and had at least seven meetings, according to the lawsuit, as the Clippers sought to learn more about Leonard's contractual obligations with the Spurs and his medical situation.

[Dejounte]

Lol wow the vindication from all this. Im glad the Clips and Leonard are getting what they deserve.