The true definition of insanity lol
Yeah, we're in a sad state. Not much even left to discuss. PATFO made terrible personnel decisions, and old as Chris Paul isn't gonna save the day even if he does turn in good games every other contest. There's no way we make the play-in.
I don't understand how people can be for this roster's construction, at minimum, no matter how deep in Snifferland you are.
While I hope Popovich gets better, this is what happens when you put a 75 year old in charge of your organization. Because these moves do not happen without his permission
It's a very underrated stage.
As if they just quit on their abilities to think staight by fear of opposing the god Pop
Even among jounalists it's a taboo subject around the league
If only the Spurs had Rob Dillingham, they'd be at the top of the conference by now. I mean, Minnesota is DEFINITELY not imploding right now and they'll be able to rebuild with their 1 FRP and 6 SRP over the next 6 years, so the picks the Spurs got will be ing useless. I hate being a fan of this team!
minnesota took over a year to get Gobert/Towns to work, became a dominant team, and then immediately traded away KAT for Randle who is an abysmal fit for them for the sake of future flexibility even though they are already up to their eyeballs with Gobert's contract
the lesson is to make trades with historically inept franchises and just wait
You mean like Minnesota and Sacramento? SA already figured that one out.minnesota took over a year to get Gobert/Towns to work, became a dominant team, and then immediately traded away KAT for Randle who is an abysmal fit for them for the sake of future flexibility even though they are already up to their eyeballs with Gobert's contract
the lesson is to make trades with historically inept franchises and just wait
Great thread! The same people hand wringing over future assets , while condemning the moves that got them here! (The 20131 schtick is the lamest by the way) If we are being honest, there are plenty of posters ( the usual suspects ) on here who were ing about the Atlanta picks as being a mis-step…those are the facts you requested OP. Minnesota screwed themselves trying to skip steps as did Sacramento.
Sac , Atl, and Min trades were a masterclass!
The 20131 started out as a typo, and then became a meme. I support trading #8, and I still think it’s funny.
I agree. The front office has made some great asset acquisition moves. The key will be what they do with those assets.
The offense will take a while. It's more free flowing without Wemby. With him, there's still a lot of hesitation and standing around. Optimally they will work out how to move the ball around, cut, all that stuff, with him in. It's just going to take some time.
I love the trades the Front Office has made because of a little story of Otis Thorp.
He was a former All-Star, playing for the Detroit Pistons. Vancouver decided they wanted him so they traded their 2003 first round draft pick (top #1 protected) to Detroit for the 35 year old. He played a total of 47 games for them.
Fast forward 6 years:
Pistons are fresh off a 50-win season where they were the 1st seed in the east. The highly anticipated draft comes around. Pistons are excited because the Grizzlies (recently moved to Memphis) were the 5th worst team. Boom, they get the #2 draft pick. After LeBron James goes #1 overall, they have their pick between Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade.... and Darko Milicic.
Pistons end up winning the 2004 championship and losing to us in 2005... but imagine if they selected anyone OTHER than Milicic.
Alternate history:... imagine if the Spurs had traded for that pick. Fresh off the 2003 championship, WE get to select between Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, and Dwayne Wade to join Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.
That is what we are hoping for 6-7 years from now when Wemby is at his peak.
so Towns for Randle who is an awful fit and Donte who already may be a foot out the door?
The only thing I can see any fault in this off-season was not using the eighth pick. But I believe they had Chris Paul in mind from the start, initially to absorb his salary outright from GSW.
They wound up signing him instead. And still had the cap space available. Classic case of keeping your powder dry, the DeRozan trade emerged.
Right now the usual options suggested at that eighth pick are rough. The two outliers who are playing well are McCain and Knecht and that's just the gamble. They both project to be poor defenders and I'm not sure the team wants to go that route any longer. They already have poor defenders.
So they made a calculated plan to go for a significant vet and wound up with two. To me, this was the primary need above all, even above adding more young talent, and around up with inarguably the best development veteran in the league and a very, very solid quiet leader in a position of need in Barnes.
They just won two games in a row that would have been losses without them.
What is is they say about the definition of insanity?
It seems like it's the same question after every single game.
What is this team actually doing?
Tim Duncan ain’t walking through that door
Loosing your head coach who has ruled the organization as long as Pop has had to have a huge impact on the team and organization. I don’t think this was calibrated in any of there plans and caught them flat footed so the best thing is to stay pat and work on a plan for next season.
As soon as possible they need to start looking for a head coach as I don’t see anyway that Pop will be able to ever coach again. I am hoping they go that route and we pretty much have a whole new coaching staff
Oh, and fire the shooting coach
The shooting coach needs to be promoted to fan.
Of course having a rookie coach rather than Pop is massive but the issues with players development seem a lot more important when you see the lack of results from the last 4-5 seasons and on.
Keldon is worse, Sochan is worse, Vassell still can't create separation and poor playmaking etc Even Collins is worse
It's hard to be optimistic tbh
Saw this on Reddit, since we're talking about shooting coaches.
doing the same dumb thing over and over again thinking it might work. Sounds kinda like this:
"When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away at his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before."
Call it youth, naivety, copium, etc. But Wemby seems to have more faith in our FO than Spursfan does.
Pretty idle discussion until the offseason.
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