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    I had fun watching the NBA this Christmas.
    This!

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    Did not watch a minute

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    Did not watch a minute
    Just curious why you have 6400+ posts in 6 years on an NBA related forum when you clearly hate the NBA and everything it represents. That’s like 1000+ a year, more than two a day. Is it really important for you to come in here repeatedly and tell us that you don’t like the NBA?

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    Just curious why you have 6400+ posts in 6 years on an NBA related forum when you clearly hate the NBA and everything it represents. That’s like 1000+ a year, more than two a day. Is it really important for you to come in here repeatedly and tell us that you don’t like the NBA?
    He's one of those weird losers that loves to post political bull on a basketball forum

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    He's one of those weird losers that loves to post political bull on a basketball forum
    Like once a month I open the politics subforum...just no. I can't believe some of those people are actual human beings. That subforum needs to be nuked and any kind of politics talk needs to be banned from a sports forum.

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    Danny Crawford was great. You’re thinking Joey Crawford.
    no I’m thinking danny crawford, the black ref with a mustache

    Joey was actually a good referee, he just hated Timmy

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    He's one of those weird losers that loves to post political bull on a basketball forum
    You lost

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    see what I mean? Guy has nothing going for him in life and thinks politics are a team sport

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    Just curious why you have 6400+ posts in 6 years on an NBA related forum when you clearly hate the NBA and everything it represents. That’s like 1000+ a year, more than two a day. Is it really important for you to come in here repeatedly and tell us that you don’t like the NBA?
    Lots of reason for me to not watch

    Popa sucks him

    Spurs suck and play stupid basketball

    The style of play in NBA is not a good watch but I stipulate that is my opinion

    I think naturally as one gets older things like devoted fandom decreases or it can

    I was a Spurs fan before most here were born so I think I have earned voicing my opinion and I thank the owners and mods for the leniency

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    see what I mean? Guy has nothing going for him in life and thinks politics are a team sport
    You mad I can tell
    Cry for me you liberal

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    Just curious why you have 6400+ posts in 6 years on an NBA related forum when you clearly hate the NBA and everything it represents. That’s like 1000+ a year, more than two a day. Is it really important for you to come in here repeatedly and tell us that you don’t like the NBA?
    Oh I am not sure where the post counter thing came from but I have been posting far longer than 6 years

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    see what I mean? Guy has nothing going for him in life and thinks politics are a team sport
    I don't know why TimVP wants these 4chan posters here. They don't even like people with his skin color.

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    no I’m thinking danny crawford, the black ref with a mustache

    Joey was actually a good referee, he just hated Timmy
    Joey had a gigantic ego. I thought I read somewhere he had a notable impact, statistically, in the road team winning.

    Danny Crawford was a decent ref, what beef did you have with him?

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    AGREED!!! 100%

    I hate the NBA now. I have not made it through 1/2 of a game all season. WTF is going on now? Houston vs Cleveland last night. Teams combined for 31/95 3pt shots. What in the ? This is straight up chuck it, and chuck it some more basketball. No friggen defense, no looking for a good shot, just run down the court and shoot dat mufawkuh!

    Something has to change.

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    Agree that it's definitely a flawed product, but it's not terrible like many are making it out to be. I do miss skilled back-to-the-basket bigs though, wish we had more of those. And the guy who's going to win MVP this year is a notorious foul-baiter which sucks. Great player nonetheless who's having a historical season (literally on pace to have a top-3 season all-time for a SG), but watching guys like him, Trae Young, Harden, etc. shoot a million FT's because they bait for fouls isn't a particularly fun product to watch. But overall the game is more skilled and faster paced than it's ever been.

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    The only back to the basket big who were watchable were Hakeem, McHale and to a lesser degree Duncan
    Every other big wasn’t
    Shaq was juat bullying his way to the hoop, Barkley was a ball stopper, Kareem looked goofy ZAF and would shoot a sky hook 90% of the time

    Nah today’s bigs are more skilled and fun to watch

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    The only back to the basket big who were watchable were Hakeem, McHale and to a lesser degree Duncan
    Every other big wasn’t
    Shaq was juat bullying his way to the hoop, Barkley was a ball stopper, Kareem looked goofy ZAF and would shoot a sky hook 90% of the time

    Nah today’s bigs are more skilled and fun to watch
    Only Jokic, who is great back to the basket. Embiid just flops and falls down all the time. What other bigs are there?

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    Only Jokic, who is great back to the basket. Embiid just flops and falls down all the time. What other bigs are there?
    Sabonis is super technical

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    What the heck? I’m not talkin bigs. I’m talkin chucking tha shiat with no one down or under the rim. I’m talkin fast break 3 pt shots. I’m talkin no mid range easier shot basketball. It’s a lot of bad shooters taking ill advised 3pt shots actin like the are all Steph Curry. This trash basketball has to stop. The NBA is losing fans. It’s fact! Ratings are down big time.

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    95 3pt attempts in a game?

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    The 3PA has almost perfectly displaced long 2s. The league is generally taking just as many close shots as it always has.

    Is watching guys shoot 19 footers instead of 23 footers somehow better?

    It's all just a function of math. When you make a slightly harder shot worth 50% more points, teams will begin to gravitate towards those shots as the odds of making them approach the odds of making the "easier" shot.

    As many have pointed out... the key is just to let defenders defend on the perimeter.


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    This random dude on Reddit (who I promise is not me) did a really nice breakdown of it (where I stole the chart above from)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussi...e_feel_bad_oc/

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    Defenders are simply handicapped nowadays on the perimeter. Said it a few days ago - there's no such thing as a legal defense against skilled ball-handlers anymore. They WILL get a foot or shoulder past yours unless you foul and/or the ref swallows their whistle.

    Let's see a return of some hand-checking and bumping out on the perimeter, especially if a screen is involved. Anything outside the 3 should be looked at with the concept of letting players play. Not everyone can be ing Iverson for s sake. It's the same thing all day now where every "star" backs the ball up to the logo and just rushes at you because you can't bump them at all, be it 1 on 1 or dare I say, when their 7fter is basically laying your ass out every time down.

    All these 3's are too much, though. The game is broken in its current state, at least, for me it is.

    In less than 20 years, games have gone from defensive stalwarts holding teams to the 90s and even 80s on a nightly basis to even the worst teams scoring well over 100 points every single game. It's "skill creep" if you will.

    2 pointers keep games closer and encourage a more traditional and - at least historically speaking - more popular brand of basketball. I think eliminating the corner 3 would do the League a world of good, in all honesty. If guys want to bomb from the logo, go for it. There's just no way to recover to the weak side and guard both the wing and corner 3's on most plays involving a pass out of the restricted area if we're going to let every semi-decent baller in the League enjoy a running start past their defender..
    Last edited by z0sa; 01-17-2025 at 04:59 PM.

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    ^^^ I used to agree with you z0sa that eliminating the corner 3 would be a good idea, but then I listened to some folks smarter than me game it out in regards to what would happen to spacing (long story short, it would not be good). Essentially, no one would ever go to the corners anymore and you'd have a lot more crowded paint areas, perhaps funneling even more offensive to top of the arc 3s. A counter to this was to widen the court and extend the corner 3, which I think makes more sense.

    Either way, I think the hand checking and perimeter D is still the answer.

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    The 3PA has almost perfectly displaced long 2s. The league is generally taking just as many close shots as it always has.

    Is watching guys shoot 19 footers instead of 23 footers somehow better?

    It's all just a function of math. When you make a slightly harder shot worth 50% more points, teams will begin to gravitate towards those shots as the odds of making them approach the odds of making the "easier" shot.

    As many have pointed out... the key is just to let defenders defend on the perimeter.

    The league is actually taking more close to the basket shots than ever, just that those shots were usually the results of drives, cuts or putbacks rather than low post moves.

    With four or even five shooters on the floor, it is now impossible to defend the paint against drives and that has resulted in so many layups and dunks.

    Edit:
    I meant close to the basket shots as in layups and dunks types, like within 3 feet of the basket. The percentage of 3-10 footers have decreased as well.

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