How We Failed Vassell (and How We Can Fix It)

[onechance87]

The roster is so bad that tossing vassel isn't an easy decision. Clearly the spurs have failed him both with his development and health, in the end for me he doesn't need to be a star just solid starter but I lean on the negative with his health, it seems like he gets dinged up a lot for a guy with his play style..

this front office is naive.Extending branham and wesley when everybody knew they arent good.Yet they still look at them it seems in there
future plans.Some of us were calling for us to trade vassell last year including myself.Im not sure about about sochan either.Hope we dont
make another mistake of giving him a big contract this offseason.Hes been playing ok.But his shooting did get worst.

[Chomag]

He would be on the bench on a contender yet some of you here want us to stick with him an force him to be our 2nd option.

Spurs should be looking to trade him now while his stock is the highest because his value is going to keep dropping at this point

You guys wanting to hold on to all these low tier players will never give us the legit talent needed to build around Wemby

[scott]

He would be on the bench on a contender yet some of you here want us to stick with him an force him to be our 2nd option.

Spurs should be looking to trade him now while his stock is the highest because his value is going to keep dropping at this point

You guys wanting to hold on to all these low tier players will never give us the legit talent needed to build around Wemby

There are a lot of people on this forum who want to give too long of a leash to our below average players... but at least they also don't want to give up any of our precious draft picks for any good players either

[Slippy]

DV is adjusting to his newer role. He gone from having freedom to shoot off the bench with mins restrictions to no mins restrictions but lesser freedom to shoot, playing around victor & now Chris as well. Previous seasons he had to be his own shot creator. Once comfortable in his role and in rhythm , I'm hoping he comes out of his shooting slump soon. Reckon the spurs think the same unlike many flakey fans here

[KobesAchilles]

DV is adjusting to his newer role. He gone from having freedom to shoot off the bench with mins restrictions to no mins restrictions but lesser freedom to shoot, playing around victor & now Chris as well. Previous seasons he had to be his own shot creator. Once comfortable in his role and in rhythm , I'm hoping he comes out of his shooting slump soon. Reckon the spurs think the same unlike many flakey fans here

Flakey fans
so the dude has to adjust to playing actual basketball instead of dumbass basketball of where he just puts up whatever shot he wants. Also nobody really gives a about his shooting slump. It’s his lack of effort and IQ on defense that us flakey fans are tired of. And every time it got brought up it was always glossed over by non-flakey fans as him being young and him needing to learn the system and him adjusting. 5 fuxking years later and it’s still the same . Just say he’s moronic basketball player and get it over with. Bc after 5 years of playing with the Spurs, it isn’t that you’re actually defending Vassell when you say he needs to “adjust,” you are admitting he’s a ing dumbass.

[onechance87]

DV is adjusting to his newer role. He gone from having freedom to shoot off the bench with mins restrictions to no mins restrictions but lesser freedom to shoot, playing around victor & now Chris as well. Previous seasons he had to be his own shot creator. Once comfortable in his role and in rhythm , I'm hoping he comes out of his shooting slump soon. Reckon the spurs think the same unlike many flakey fans here

lol...........

[z0sa]

22 points
7 rebs
4 ast
0 TO
+5/8-14 FG

Let's chill on the DV hate, maybe? Just a thought.

[scott]

22 points
7 rebs
4 ast
0 TO
+5/8-14 FG

Let's chill on the DV hate, maybe? Just a thought.

Now let's see him do it consistently. That's the problem with Devin. He'll do this for a few games, then go back to 12 point performances (or out for 10-12 games with a boo boo)

[z0sa]

Now let's see him do it consistently. That's the problem with Devin. He'll do this for a few games, then go back to 12 point performances (or out for 10-12 games with a boo boo)

Agreed. Simple but truly, I agree completely.

It's his consistency that, in my humble opinion, has confused and/or frustrated some of the Spurs' biggest fans, such as you and I. I just feel he deserves this season after being given the rope to hang himself last season (figuratively, of course). He had every opportunity to up and while it did happen from time to time, he approached everything as a professional. He's a millionaire and I hesitate to say a millionaire deserves , but he has a chance to do something great over the next 5-6 weeks. If not, yeah put him on the trading block.

[Fireball]

22 points
7 rebs
4 ast
0 TO
+5/8-14 FG

Let's chill on the DV hate, maybe? Just a thought.

not bad against a defense like Minnesota ... lets hope he can build on that and be consistent

[RC_Drunkford]

loved his passing in this game, he found wide open shooters at the 3-point line a bunch of times instead of shooting a tough fadeaway. When it's Sochan though, I'd rather have Devin shoot the tough shot

[Slippy]

Flakey fans
so the dude has to adjust to playing actual basketball instead of dumbass basketball of where he just puts up whatever shot he wants. Also nobody really gives a about his shooting slump. It’s his lack of effort and IQ on defense that us flakey fans are tired of. And every time it got brought up it was always glossed over by non-flakey fans as him being young and him needing to learn the system and him adjusting. 5 fuxking years later and it’s still the same . Just say he’s moronic basketball player and get it over with. Bc after 5 years of playing with the Spurs, it isn’t that you’re actually defending Vassell when you say he needs to “adjust,” you are admitting he’s a ing dumbass.

You think that's funny. I aint going around saying a full time pro who probably live and dies playing ball doesn't know how to play the game. Actually funnier is Scott with his BS graphics= thats a man on a misson with alot of time on his hands.

Aside ffrom what ive already posted the biggest adjustment DV has to make is learning to play around his 7foot3 teammate who loves to live ou5side shooting alreast 10 fuking threes in games. Keeping in mind Devs is a shooter.

Would love to see a graphic illustrating the 3s Vic takes in comparison to other centres of the nba & all his peers. Got a feeling he'll be a standout.

Lost count how many trashy 3s Vic put up in the 4th. Then finally went inside for an easy left hand dunk.

[CorrectCrusader]

Damn, I wasn't even expecting this

Worse than Bryn Forbes defensively is simply unacceptable.
Bench player status

[The Truth #6]

It seems he's playing a better brand lately generally speaking. But I still notice a few ball stopping isolation plays now and then. Hopefully he learns the point is to shoot more easy shots.

[KobesAchilles]

You think that's funny. I aint going around saying a full time pro who probably live and dies playing ball doesn't know how to play the game. Actually funnier is Scott with his BS graphics= thats a man on a misson with alot of time on his hands.

Aside ffrom what ive already posted the biggest adjustment DV has to make is learning to play around his 7foot3 teammate who loves to live ou5side shooting alreast 10 fuking threes in games. Keeping in mind Devs is a shooter.

Would love to see a graphic illustrating the 3s Vic takes in comparison to other centres of the nba & all his peers. Got a feeling he'll be a standout.

Lost count how many trashy 3s Vic put up in the 4th. Then finally went inside for an easy left hand dunk.

You keep posting about offense. I already said idgaf about his offense. But on the topic of offense, Vic is the franchise player. There’s a big ing difference between him and Vassell in importance. If Vassell can’t adjust to Vic’s game then he needs to get the out immediately. What a stupid argument. I mean the horror of a 17ppg scorer having to adjust his game to the 5th best player in the world…

But what’s your excuse on defense? The dude is a traffic cone on defense. And he has had 5 years to learn how to play defense. Castle looks better on D after 2 months but genius DV still sucks after 5 years. Lots of guys are talented but don’t know how to play winning basketball. Devin is one of those guys. Imagine “living and dying” basketball and still not knowing how to play defense or play around an all generational talent as a ing role player

[scott]

Agreed. Simple but truly, I agree completely.

It's his consistency that, in my humble opinion, has confused and/or frustrated some of the Spurs' biggest fans, such as you and I. I just feel he deserves this season after being given the rope to hang himself last season (figuratively, of course). He had every opportunity to up and while it did happen from time to time, he approached everything as a professional. He's a millionaire and I hesitate to say a millionaire deserves , but he has a chance to do something great over the next 5-6 weeks. If not, yeah put him on the trading block.

I agree, unless of course a great deal that we can't refuse comes along (which I doubt it will) that we give it the rest of this season and see where he's at. My only fear is that he gets hot for the last 10 games and gives us fools gold - but that will be on the FO to figure out.

[Slippy]

You keep posting about offense. I already said idgaf about his offense. But on the topic of offense, Vic is the franchise player. There’s a big ing difference between him and Vassell in importance. If Vassell can’t adjust to Vic’s game then he needs to get the out immediately. What a stupid argument. I mean the horror of a 17ppg scorer having to adjust his game to the 5th best player in the world…

But what’s your excuse on defense? The dude is a traffic cone on defense. And he has had 5 years to learn how to play defense. Castle looks better on D after 2 months but genius DV still sucks after 5 years. Lots of guys are talented but don’t know how to play winning basketball. Devin is one of those guys. Imagine “living and dying” basketball and still not knowing how to play defense or play around an all generational talent as a ing role player

This isnt asn argument. Its a fact. Devs the one making the adjustment along with the rest of his teammates. Their starting centre takes an abnormally crazy high amount of threes meaning if they dont adjust they pretty much become a perimeter orientated team.

Devs defence is not bad as posted on here or the graphics suggest. lol Yes his man on man could be better as in staying in front more often but theres no way he reached 100% fitness yet. The 1on1 D should get better once he familiarizes with his starter teammates & regains that fitness.
Also think he more than makes up for it as a help defender. Seeing alot of rebounds, protection of passing lanes and helping his teammates contest shots. Its been more than adequate.

Wow im amazed at the excuses for the 5th best players in the world is afforded. for example from last nights game . Vic takes a trashy 3 early out of the offense, then excuses himself by telling the coaches get me out. im tired. As a conerstone of the of the team thats not good enough in my book. He needs to lead by example. Good thing we arnt holding Vic to the standard of Dave, Tim or Manu.

[KobesAchilles]

DV has never been a good defender. He’s not as bad as the graphics or his ratings or his metrics? Now who is making excuses.

You’re a weird troll. The hype DV train and on Wemby train isn’t exactly one I would tie myself to. Somehow bc Wemby takes threes that means that DV can’t take threes? Makes sense to me. Vassell needs to continue to take bad shots bc Wemby is taking too many threes. Oh ok. Also who would you like taking threes then seeing as we are a horrible 3 point shooting team and would be the worst 3 point shooting team in the league if Wemby wasn’t making 4 a game.

Look maybe you’re DVs family and just defending your own. But what exactly does Devin bring to the table? 17 ppg and zero defense. We can find that anywhere. What does Wemby bring to the table? All world defense, leading the team in blocks, rebounds, points, FG%, second in assists.

Also I wonder what the Spurs record is with DV as a starter vs DV coming off the bench or DV not playing at all. Look it up and then get back to me at how essential DV is this year.

[spurraider21]

Damn, I wasn't even expecting this

tracks with the eye test that he was actually a good defender during his first 2 years and has just continued to get worse

[Russo21]

Absolutely loving this DV hate around here recently. Glad you guys are catching on finally Mr Quadruple Zero is trash. Sellfish, low IQ hero baller.

Honestly you can be a fan of the team, but you don't have to blindly love every player who wears silver and black and love every move the FO makes. Call a spade a spade, it is what it is. It was a rebuilding era sure, but it's no surprise to me the worst stretch in San Antonio Spurs history coincides with DV being the guy on the team with the biggest contract and being a foundation piece. It's time to move on and the sooner the better. Hopefully some dumb as GM sees DV'S 17ppg and offers something for him soon enough.

Hilariously and sadly for Vassell he keeps being taken over by rookie after rookie after rookie. Sochan? Not sold on him but he's better and more complete than DV. Victor? Better than DV. Castle? Better than DV already. Our last 3 main rookies? All better than him. All 3 way younger. All have higher ceilings. Every year he is moving down the order of importance to the team for freaking rookie after rookie. That's sad, it's pathetic. Next year's draft looks good and deep, he'll likely move down the importance list yet again to yet another 1 or possibly even 2 rookies. It's embarrassing and says a lot about him as a player. Time to move on.

[scott]

DV has never been a good defender. He’s not as bad as the graphics or his ratings or his metrics? Now who is making excuses.

You’re a weird troll. The hype DV train and on Wemby train isn’t exactly one I would tie myself to. Somehow bc Wemby takes threes that means that DV can’t take threes? Makes sense to me. Vassell needs to continue to take bad shots bc Wemby is taking too many threes. Oh ok. Also who would you like taking threes then seeing as we are a horrible 3 point shooting team and would be the worst 3 point shooting team in the league if Wemby wasn’t making 4 a game.

Look maybe you’re DVs family and just defending your own. But what exactly does Devin bring to the table? 17 ppg and zero defense. We can find that anywhere. What does Wemby bring to the table? All world defense, leading the team in blocks, rebounds, points, FG%, second in assists.

Also I wonder what the Spurs record is with DV as a starter vs DV coming off the bench or DV not playing at all. Look it up and then get back to me at how essential DV is this year.

Wemby: Ranks in the 99.9% in Crafted PlusMinus (95% OPM, 99.9% DPM)
Devin Vassell: Ranks 34% in Crafted PlusMinus (72% OPM, 8% DPM)

Sounds like Wemby needs to adjust his game around Vassell.

[scott]

At this point, my expectation is for Devin Vassell's career trajectory to look a lot like D'Angelo Russell's. Young, promising, 20ppg scorer who eventually just becomes a no-defense playing offensive specialist with an oversized contract that no one really wants. I'm just gonna start calling him D'Vin.

[baseline bum]

There are a lot of people on this forum who want to give too long of a leash to our below average players... but at least they also don't want to give up any of our precious draft picks for any good players either

The boat is a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat!

[baseline bum]

At this point, my expectation is for Devin Vassell's career trajectory to look a lot like D'Angelo Russell's. Young, promising, 20ppg scorer who eventually just becomes a no-defense playing offensive specialist with an oversized contract that no one really wants. I'm just gonna start calling him D'Vin.

IDK man, D'Bust made an allstar team. Maybe Devin can become poor man's D'Angelo Russell.

[LeBowen]

At this point, my expectation is for Devin Vassell's career trajectory to look a lot like D'Angelo Russell's. Young, promising, 20ppg scorer who eventually just becomes a no-defense playing offensive specialist with an oversized contract that no one really wants. I'm just gonna start calling him D'Vin.

We'd be lucky if he becomes an offensive 20ppg specialist. He disappears way too often. My biggest issue with him last season was how passive he got at times and just stood there while Keldon and Jeremy chuck us out of games.
This season he adopted main character syndrome, beyond furstrating to watch.

We can try hope to get him back on the right path, but if he continues like this everyone around the league will realize he's just a tank commander and then we got another Keldon on our hands.