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Major benefit to Harper - along with Fox - is that a lot of the scoring load comes off Wembanyama.
Mavs would not trade Cooper Flagg for any other player but Wemby. This is a moment where the basketball gods smiled on them. No way they trade him for older players. He's perfect next to Davis and he is good enough to make a difference immediately. It was painful when the Spurs name got called at two thinking of what could've been. But hey, let's whine about getting the number 2 pick with a roster that already has a lot of young talent with a player of a generation at the centerpiece.
Major benefit to Harper - along with Fox - is that a lot of the scoring load comes off Wembanyama.
I think that is the way to go.
Nothing motivates someone to get better more than healthy compe ion.
Now the spurs just need to get off of Keldon and or Vassell to improve the front court.
I wonder if MATFO are regretting that Fox trade right about now.
Time to start doing that in depth analysis of Harper vs Bailey, tbh.
What's the infatuation with Castle? I truly don't get it.... at least not for a top 5 five player. That's just silly in my opinion.
Didn't AD about having to play the C? This will pretty much assure that now.
Why? They basically got Fox for 50c on the dollar. They need to make the playoffs next season. Fox in the backcourt gets them a lot closer to that goal than a Harper/Castle backcourt tbh.
Worst case scenario they can trade Fox in a season or two for a better fit. He'll still be worth a lot on the trade market (a lot more than what the FO got him for)
Harper is basically a left handed Primo that is actually good. If y'all think BWrong is passing on him, you haven't been paying attention tbh
This is a very interesting scenario. I think it comes down to one central question. Are either one of Castle or Harper going to be better than Fox? Bc if so then that means we are drafting Harper and trading Fox in like 3 years. Which might work out perfectly anyways for us. It’s the reverse OKC where we keep the young guard talent and pair them with Wemby for the next decade.
Or do you think that Harper won’t be better than Fox and in that case do you take Bailey at the 2 pick. He has size and length and his shooting form is actually good unlike some forwards we have. Right away he helps as a rebounder and would be a starter on our team by seasons end.
I doubt it, considering how little they gave up to get him. If Harper really pans out you trade Fox in three years and you probably get more back than you gave up to get him.
No one offered more cash than Rutgers? The family connection makes sense but for 2 overall I’d want to be crystal clear on both points. Harper & Bailey translated to 8 more wins I think versus the previous year.
I don't think there's any real conversation between a Harper and Bailey tbh. Bailey is pretty low IQ, a ball stopper, isn't really high feel. He can go on a heater, has good size and athleticism, but isn't a smart player and has some small red flags like a poor FT percentage. Also hadn't a good defender.
Just on ballstopping alone I don't think there's an attraction.
Man, I just can't see enough ball to go around with Harper.
Fox and Castle and Wemby will dominate the out of touches, not enough oxygen left for Harper. Too many guys who need the ball and can't be counted to spread the floor and make shots. Imagine Sochan stinking up the offense with his anti-gravity field. Or Vassell clanking. Or Keldon doing nothing without the ball and the driving lane.
I say trade the pick if possible. Could they get bonus picks and Knueppel from Washington?
Sure the Fox trade is messing things up but if Wemby never gets the clot Spurs might have been 13 or 14. What's done is done.
Frustrating because I don't think VJ is a much better fit though he's a better shooter allegedly
I think this stroke of luck tonight sadly ensures CP3 isn't brought back if they don't trade for Giannis. Which frees the team up to spend their MLE on some shooting at the forward spot.
This. Nico got to much heat from that trade... Unless he thinks Flagg will not fit with the current roster and timeline, then he might pass on Flagg, but I think this time, he'll make the rational decision to keep that #1 pick
Time to move away from Keldon and Vassell. They have had their opportunities and trade them for Frontline help.
CP3 doesn't make any sense now. He isn't going to be getting any minutes and sure won't be happy with that.
Our issue this season was that for some reason they still went with everyone shares the ball approach.
From this point onward, our wings need to be role players.
Fox/Castle/Harper can bring the ball up, Wemby can have some of his isos, but others should be reduced to catch and shoot, catch and drive and simple cuts.
If they're still on the roster, that is.
No more ballhandling duties for Devin, Keldon and especially Jeremy. It's over.
Bailey is the kind of guy I'd take an upside swing on after Edgecombe and Tre Johnson are off the board rather than draft Maluach, Kneuppel, Queen, or Bryant but no way I'm even thinking him at 2.
Yeah, i don't know why this still somehow a conversation here. Harper is the absolute better prospect and a lock to go second. You could argue that Harper is closer to Flagg than Ace to Dylan as prospect..
Stop it "not enough ball". You trade Vassell, Keldon even Sochan to add shooting and size.
It would be time to move away from Keldon and Vassell even if they got #10 and #14. Vassell is such a disaster when he puts the ball on the floor and isn't a high end shooter so with his horrible D he is such a negative.
I think we'll look back and realize Fox didn't really go for a discount. We're comparing him to the trades that came before like Mitc , Gobert and Bridges. Sooner than later, the trade market is going to normalize (with the new CBA, it almost has to), and two unprotected picks, a moderately protected first and multiple seconds is going to be close to what you expect from a mid-tier star.
Worst case scenario they can trade Fox in a season or two for a better fit. He'll still be worth a lot on the trade market (a lot more than what the FO got him for)
I certainly don't think a 30-year-old Fox would get significantly more than that, especially if he's become expendable to the point that the Spurs are looking to deal him.
Looking forward to diving into this thread later and reading everyone's ideas.
The #2 pick opens up the largest range of possibilities imaginable. Brian Wright can literally play NBA2K GM now.
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