Anyone else is against Spurs giving up Harper for 31 years (in 2025) Giannis Antetokounmpo?

[KobesAchilles]

As much of a hater I am, we have to admit we would've been in the play-in this season if not for Wemby's DVT.

Next season 45+ wins is a must and I expect serious contention from 26-27 season.

Well I guess I am a hater bc I think they aren’t going to make the playoffs next year. 45 wins puts them in the play-in and not the playoffs. I have said that the Spurs are a badly run organization that is akin to the Sacramento Kings and we could easily go 8 straight years without making the playoffs. Well next year would be year 7 and if they get 45 wins like you say they still don’t make the playoffs.

To quote the late great Jerry Kraut. Players don’t win championships, organizations do. And we are a poorly run one. It’s why I want Giannis so badly. It will force us to trim the fat early instead of all this well let’s take baby steps bull . Year one with Wemby: we won 25 games. Year 2 we won 34. Year 3 let’s say we win 45. Year 4 we win what 48-50? Year 5 Wemby is maxed out at 100 million a year and we no longer have ing cap space and we are stuck as a middling team hoping that in Harper’s 3rd year he proves to be a second star. And with our player development I don’t have faith that he will.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think people here have understood how the second apron prevents you from keeping all your players. You can build through the draft all you want, at the end of the day you will have to trade most of your roster because the contracts will be too big. Brian Wright has his work cut out.

This upcoming season the Spurs have to be in the top 6 in the west. Then in the 2026 offseason, which is the last year of Wemby on a rookie deal, they have to load up the roster with long term pieces on good contracts to enter the le window, because once Wemby's max kicks in, the year after that Castle's extension kicks in and the year after that Harper's extension kicks in. By then Fox will have to be traded. Teams will have super short le windows of about 2 seasons and will then have to let half their roster go and try to reload. It will be really difficult to go on a run like we did with Tim back in the day.

All the spacing issues, the rebounding issues, etc. have to be completely eliminated by 2026 if we want to contend. That's a lot to ask of Mitch, being that he starts with a roster that has major holes.

[poopbox]

As much of a hater I am, we have to admit we would've been in the play-in this season if not for Wemby's DVT.

Next season 45+ wins is a must and I expect serious contention from 26-27 season.

I don't think the play in is anything to brag about.

That is how far the spurs have fallen. Teams like the mavs and kings get ridiculed and told to blow the whole team up when they make the play in. But the spurs making the play in? Well that's progress and a good season.

[poopbox]

Working well is adding Wemby, Fox, Castle and now Harper and 14 who will be another solid rotation player over the last two years. You will see playoffs next year barring injury.

Those players haven't even cranked out a winning season yet. I'm a big believer in you can't until you can, you don't until you do. When they help us win something other than a top 5 pick let me know.

It's also sort of frightening that 40% of the things on your list are not even on the team yet (Harper and 14). Like damn 6 years of being terrible and we STILL got to wait on another player or two to join the roster before we can be like "ok guys we making a push for the playoffs this year"

Goes to show you how awful the drafting and roster was before Victor.

[Seventyniner]

I don't think people here have understood how the second apron prevents you from keeping all your players. You can build through the draft all you want, at the end of the day you will have to trade most of your roster because the contracts will be too big. Brian Wright has his work cut out.

This upcoming season the Spurs have to be in the top 6 in the west. Then in the 2026 offseason, which is the last year of Wemby on a rookie deal, they have to load up the roster with long term pieces on good contracts to enter the le window, because once Wemby's max kicks in, the year after that Castle's extension kicks in and the year after that Harper's extension kicks in. By then Fox will have to be traded. Teams will have super short le windows of about 2 seasons and will then have to let half their roster go and try to reload. It will be really difficult to go on a run like we did with Tim back in the day.

All the spacing issues, the rebounding issues, etc. have to be completely eliminated by 2026 if we want to contend. That's a lot to ask of Mitch, being that he starts with a roster that has major holes.

imo it's too early to worry about Mitch dealing with holes in the roster. The offseason is far from over. The Spurs have the MLE at the very least to sign a rotation-level forward, and the potential to go in many different directions this summer.

Ways to avoid second apron include not giving out big money to players that don't deserve it, like Jaylen Brown/MPJ/Gobert, having cost-controlled players that are stars already like JWill, and not emptying the cupboard of draft picks so that the roster can be replenished with rookie and second round contracts.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Spurs can be top three in the west depending on what other moves they make in addition to adding Harper. The Rockets were a 52 win team and the Spurs can be as good or better than the Rockets next year.

Yes.

The current Spurs will be easily top 6 next season. Top 3 is doable.

[scott]

I don't think people here have understood how the second apron prevents you from keeping all your players. You can build through the draft all you want, at the end of the day you will have to trade most of your roster because the contracts will be too big. Brian Wright has his work cut out.

This upcoming season the Spurs have to be in the top 6 in the west. Then in the 2026 offseason, which is the last year of Wemby on a rookie deal, they have to load up the roster with long term pieces on good contracts to enter the le window, because once Wemby's max kicks in, the year after that Castle's extension kicks in and the year after that Harper's extension kicks in. By then Fox will have to be traded. Teams will have super short le windows of about 2 seasons and will then have to let half their roster go and try to reload. It will be really difficult to go on a run like we did with Tim back in the day.

All the spacing issues, the rebounding issues, etc. have to be completely eliminated by 2026 if we want to contend. That's a lot to ask of Mitch, being that he starts with a roster that has major holes.

I broadly agree with you, but the Celtics are a bit of a unique case because the acquired many of these highly compensated pieces via trade. If you have an opportunity to build organically, I think it will become significantly more difficult to end up with a 2nd apron scenario like the Celtics have, because those players aren't going to have the same opportunities to earn max deals. It's common to just assume Castle and Harper are going to eventually need max extensions... but how are they going to do this? At the end of the day, there is only one ball. So in that respect, I do think there is a little bit of a self-regulating factor at play for the Spurs contracts to not completely spiral out of control...

But with that said, I agree with your point.

[Arguendo]

Those players haven't even cranked out a winning season yet. I'm a big believer in you can't until you can, you don't until you do. When they help us win something other than a top 5 pick let me know.

It's also sort of frightening that 40% of the things on your list are not even on the team yet (Harper and 14). Like damn 6 years of being terrible and we STILL got to wait on another player or two to join the roster before we can be like "ok guys we making a push for the playoffs this year"

Goes to show you how awful the drafting and roster was before Victor.

Yes, the drafting and roster was awful pre-Vic.
But you don't think they were "making a push for the playoffs" last yr before Vic got hurt?
Sure, they were 6 games under .500, but 5 games into integrating Fox. Sac made the play-in 2 games under, Dallas 4.
17-13 would've gotten them into it, 16-12 would've tied Dallas. Lost a game each to Sac/Dal, so 15-13 could've gotten them there. 13-13 would've kept them in the hunt with 2 to play...I think we were making a push, got Fox momentum, Castle proving his worth, and maybe tied/past Dallas with 28 games of healthy Wemby & Co. But they at least would've been making a push to Suns level imo.

[Arguendo]

But, like poopbox said, you don't until you do. I don't think Bucks take our call for less than #2 + Castle as the starting point, then you have to match salaries, so either Keldon + Barnes + lots of filler or Vassell and still prolly Barnes + filler, and more picks, the good ones.
Giannis is All-time, but we haven't been close. Does a gutted roster + Giannis get us passed OKC next yr or the next? I seriously doubt it, but it hampers Wemby's growth, and empties the chest.
Year 3 you have a Prime Wemby, a 33 y/o Giannis and a 30 y/o Fox, no bench and are a 2nd Apron team. That could win, but your window is very short right as Wemby is ready too win.
Stay the course, Spurs are too far away from competing for a championship unless SGA get hurt, grow and show! Then add.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

It's funny people are still even thinking to trade for old guys like Giannis or Durant with Harper or Castle.

They failed to realize how things turned around with the quick arrival of Fox, castle and Harper.

And don't forget we have an alien who is still rising.

We will be a top 4 team in the west without any major trades. I'll not be surprised if we get into west conference finals next year.

I don't want Durant or Giannis even if just for salary Dump because:

1. we cannot win a tile in year 1 with or without these old stars.
2. In year 2, we can win a le without them.
3. They reduce play time and touches of our younger guys and hinder their development.
4. At their mileage, there is more chance for major injury to occur at any time.

[LeBowen]

I don't think the play in is anything to brag about.

That is how far the spurs have fallen. Teams like the mavs and kings get ridiculed and told to blow the whole team up when they make the play in. But the spurs making the play in? Well that's progress and a good season.

Play-in after two 22 win seasons would've been a huge improvement.
Kings reached their ceiling as a team and Mavs aren't worth mentioning after the worst trade ever.

Well I guess I am a hater bc I think they aren’t going to make the playoffs next year. 45 wins puts them in the play-in and not the playoffs. I have said that the Spurs are a badly run organization that is akin to the Sacramento Kings and we could easily go 8 straight years without making the playoffs. Well next year would be year 7 and if they get 45 wins like you say they still don’t make the playoffs.

To quote the late great Jerry Kraut. Players don’t win championships, organizations do. And we are a poorly run one. It’s why I want Giannis so badly. It will force us to trim the fat early instead of all this well let’s take baby steps bull . Year one with Wemby: we won 25 games. Year 2 we won 34. Year 3 let’s say we win 45. Year 4 we win what 48-50? Year 5 Wemby is maxed out at 100 million a year and we no longer have ing cap space and we are stuck as a middling team hoping that in Harper’s 3rd year he proves to be a second star. And with our player development I don’t have faith that he will.

Post-nephew moves should've obviously better and there are quite a few better front offices these days, but we're still good compared to at least half the league.
Wright's moves after we lucked into Wemby have mostly been good.

[scott]

Play-in after two 22 win seasons would've been a huge improvement.
Kings reached their ceiling as a team and Mavs aren't worth mentioning after the worst trade ever.



Post-nephew moves should've obviously better and there are quite a few better front offices these days, but we're still good compared to at least half the league.
Wright's moves after we lucked into Wemby have mostly been good.

I trust Wright as much as any other GM in the league to make smart, value conscious trades, especially in the context of a small market team. I do not worry about us getting fleeced in trades even for a moment.

I also feel Wright has earned a lot of trust in terms of player acquisition in general. He's not done much on the free agent front aside from CP3, but he has brought in players who were appropriate for the Spurs at the time. CP3 and Barnes last year. Cedi the year before. Smart bargain bin additions in Champ, Mamu, Bassey. Fox was obviously his biggest move to date. However, this will have to take the next step (see point #4 in this reply).

I generally have regained trust in their drafting. It was a little questionable for awhile there with Vassell over Hali, Primo in general, then Sochan over JDub... but they've crushed the picks at the top of the draft. We'll see how they do with 14 if they make that pick and how they do with lower picks going forward.

The rea I'm still concerned about is his ability to build an overall coherent team that can contend. This is a huge summer for him. I'm choosing to be optimistic and think he'll nail it (even if deep down I actually believe he won't do much other than pick Harper and trade #14 )

[KobesAchilles]

Play-in after two 22 win seasons would've been a huge improvement.
Kings reached their ceiling as a team and Mavs aren't worth mentioning after the worst trade ever.



Post-nephew moves should've obviously better and there are quite a few better front offices these days, but we're still good compared to at least half the league.
Wright's moves after we lucked into Wemby have mostly been good.

I’m not even against Wrights moves at the time. I can see why we picked Vassell over Hali. I can see why we picked Sochan over JDub. I can’t for the life of me see why we picked Primo there was literally nothing elite about him. He wasn’t fast. He wasn’t strong. He wasn’t a good dribbler. He wasn’t a good passer. He wasn’t a good creator. And he wasn’t a good shooter either. That one is just beyond me. But Castle more than made up for that. And ofc Wemby.

My issue I suppose is how the franchise is run. We are running the franchise like the Lakers. ty player development. No coach with actual experience. No elite assistant coaches. Bad player development planning. I can’t remember the last player the Lakers actually developed. We are the SA Lakers in their little mom and pop shop franchise. The only difference is (and this is a slight difference) generational talent is never traded to us.

I just want to see the Spurs take steps to actually achieve their goals. Instead of just having said goals and basically placing everything at the feet of our 21 year old center.