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    Would freaking love PJ Washington on this team , he has that dog and toughness that we need in him. I don't think mavs will let him go though, not to join us anyway

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    Would freaking love PJ Washington on this team , he has that dog and toughness that we need in him. I don't think mavs will let him go though, not to join us anyway
    They would most definitely let him go for the return of their 2030 swap.
    The question is if Spurs would do it.

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    PJ Washington is on an expiring contract ($14.2M). Does acquiring him include an extension, and does it include moving Vassell? This could be a great move for the Spurs, but what is the total cost?

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    PJ Washington is on an expiring contract ($14.2M). Does acquiring him include an extension, and does it include moving Vassell? This could be a great move for the Spurs, but what is the total cost?
    I'd assume Spurs wouldn't trade for anyone on an expiring contract without an agreement that they'll sign an extension.
    Fox's extension is probably already agreed.

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    They would most definitely let him go for the return of their 2030 swap.
    The question is if Spurs would do it.
    I'd do it, because if we extend Fox and Sochan we most likely won't have enough cap space next offseason to sign that type of player. That means we will have to work out a trade for a PF regardless and I'd rather get him sooner than later.

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    Caruso instead of Giddey seems like a huge improvement for the iden y they have formed with defense. It seems like they SGA as the head of the snake and then tons of 3/D players.

    I don't see the Spurs following that model. We could project to have more of an offensive iden y, for now at least. Obviously, Victor is the glue for our defense and we have other potentially good defenders, but I see the team going for an iden y of sharing the ball and dynamic movement. Probably have to just to share the ball with so many ball dominant players. Someone will eventually need to embrace the Manu 6th man role to hit our absolute ceiling. In short, I see the Spurs seeking well rounded role players with BBIQ. Better versions of Mamu, basically.
    rare trade that so far seems to have really worked out for both clubs

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    This is why the spurs need sohan to handle the ball & penetrate sucessfully. Non dribblers are eaten alive by okc.

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    This is why the spurs need sohan to handle the ball & penetrate sucessfully. Non dribblers are eaten alive by okc.
    It’s also why we need the three PGs. If they cause enough havoc, the won’t be able to play Dort on Wemby.

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    It’s also why we need the three PGs. If they cause enough havoc, the won’t be able to play Dort on Wemby.
    I agree

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    They would most definitely let him go for the return of their 2030 swap.
    The question is if Spurs would do it.
    I doubt Dallas would, that swap tanked in value once they got Flagg.

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    Am I the only one who's not scared of OKC at all?


    - all 15 of their players are positive defenders according to defensive +/-

    - their defense is the best in postseason history allowing 90.8 points per posession

    - they are #1 in the NBA when it comes to fouling, allowing them to basically play football on defense

    - they allow the most corner 3s, while allowing the 10th lowest percentage from that area

    - they create the most liveball turnovers in the league


    It seems that having 3 guards who are elite at getting to the rim and drawing fouls with Wemby in the middle should really help here. Also players who are elite at knocking down corner 3s like Barnes for example. All we really need is a PF who can bully Chet.

    Defensively having Wemby in the middle certainly helps preventing SGA from getting to the rim and as far as I know Sochan had pretty good defensive metrics against him. They also go on long dry spells when you force them into shooting from outside.

    The smartest thing is probably to guard SGA like the Spurs guarded Harden in the 2017 playoffs: with their hands up. That takes away SGA's forced foul calls, cause he likes to act like he's getting into his shooting motion once there's the slightest contact to his arm.

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    We'll see how their season ends, but they just got taken to 7 by a Denver team with 6.5 players, one of them being Russ and the other one being MPJ with one shoulder.
    They're a great team, but nothing generational.

    Spurs are on their own trajectory, we need to make the playoffs before we start worrying about potential matchups.

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    We'll see how their season ends, but they just got taken to 7 by a Denver team with 6.5 players, one of them being Russ and the other one being MPJ with one shoulder.
    They're a great team, but nothing generational.

    Spurs are on their own trajectory, we need to make the playoffs before we start worrying about potential matchups.
    The whistles they get on offense and the amount of extreme fouling they are allowed to get away with is generational.

    Caruso did absolutely nothing but blatantly foul Jokic on defense. He should have fouled out on 6 straight possessions. There are players where he is just literally holding both of Jokic wrist trying to keep him from even raising his hands

    So yeah, OKC is going to be the toughest out in the playoffs for awhile, not because they are that good, but because whenever they can't make it across the finish line the refs carry them.

    The nba has been heavily invested in OKC being good for a very long time. I still remember when they suspended Zbo for game 7 against the KD Russ thunder cause the league was scared less okc would loose in the 1st round

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    Why would the league want OKC to win now, though? I can understand before when they had KD, Westbrook and Harden as I think they were trying to start a rivalry between Lebron and KD as the best players in the league.

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    Why would the league want OKC to win now, though? I can understand before when they had KD, Westbrook and Harden as I think they were trying to start a rivalry between Lebron and KD as the best players in the league.
    same thing, to start the rivalry with Wemby

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    I doubt Dallas would, that swap tanked in value once they got Flagg.
    Why? What proven young talent do they possess? 5 years is a mighty long time from now!

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    Mavs do need to cut salary, Flagg takes them over the 1st apron, they're looking at a payroll over $200 million.

    Though I had heard speculation of them moving off Gafford instead, giving back the swap should do the trick.

    Sadly, I think PJ makes too much to fit in the MLE by about 50k ... So it would be a lopsided trade that wouldn't save them as much money. Buy maybe the first year of the mle comes in higher just enough to make it work

    I'd rather have John Collins by a large margin but his contract is harder to trade for plus Ainge is an ass who no one can work with

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    Why? What proven young talent do they possess? 5 years is a mighty long time from now!
    the pick looks a lot worse now knowing they will have an experienced Flagg vs only being able to add a role player type like Carter Bryant this year

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    the pick looks a lot worse now knowing they will have an experienced Flagg vs only being able to add a role player type like Carter Bryant this year
    He’ll still need help….. the old guard will be gone!

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    Quick notes on PJ Washington and John Collins

    PJ is only 6-6.5 barefoot vs 6-8.25 for Collins, but +3.25 inches more wingspan and 0.5 more standing reach

    Both shot very well from 3, 38.1 on 6.3 attempts per 100 possessions for PJ vs. 39.9% on 5.8 3pa

    PJ 3.3 stocks per100 vs. 3.1

    11.7 trb per 100 vs. 12.9

    Now with more time to think about it, I like PJ more and more. Sure he's smaller, but his kind of salary combined with him being the low-risk type that no team with capspace would ever really try to poach ... He figures to be more manageable as an asset going forward.

    Spurs will need a decent non-rookie-scale starter in the lineup who makes less than starter type money in the new environment. Having him already at 14.15 makes it easier to keep his cost down.

    He's already proven he can be a useful defender in various lineups that had very good defensive ratings. And has proven he is capable of getting hot and performing from 3. And has proven he has the temperament to be a role playing finisher off of 2 superstars without crying too much about his touches.

    Now all we need is the official MLE numbers to come in a little bit higher and they can take him back for the swap rights.

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    And for comparison:

    Barnes per 100
    43.3% on 7.8 attempts
    6.7 rebounds (!!!! Holy crap that's low)
    1.1 stocks

    Sochan per 100, if considered a PF
    30.8% on 3.2 attempts
    12.5 trb
    2.6 stocks

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    OKC will sweep thru the WCF and Finals

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    Quick notes on PJ Washington and John Collins

    PJ is only 6-6.5 barefoot vs 6-8.25 for Collins, but +3.25 inches more wingspan and 0.5 more standing reach

    Both shot very well from 3, 38.1 on 6.3 attempts per 100 possessions for PJ vs. 39.9% on 5.8 3pa

    PJ 3.3 stocks per100 vs. 3.1

    11.7 trb per 100 vs. 12.9

    Now with more time to think about it, I like PJ more and more. Sure he's smaller, but his kind of salary combined with him being the low-risk type that no team with capspace would ever really try to poach ... He figures to be more manageable as an asset going forward.

    Spurs will need a decent non-rookie-scale starter in the lineup who makes less than starter type money in the new environment. Having him already at 14.15 makes it easier to keep his cost down.

    He's already proven he can be a useful defender in various lineups that had very good defensive ratings. And has proven he is capable of getting hot and performing from 3. And has proven he has the temperament to be a role playing finisher off of 2 superstars without crying too much about his touches.

    Now all we need is the official MLE numbers to come in a little bit higher and they can take him back for the swap rights.
    it‘s not that John Collins gonna cry about touches. You didn’t hear anything when he came off the bench in Utah. PJ is the better perimeter defender between the 2. I‘m fine with either one.

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    Indy vs OKC would be an awesome, frenetic matchup.

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    Williams just made 3rd team all-NBA, 30% max extension eligible if he makes it again next season.

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