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Gee we are so damn brave when we can hide behind a computer keyboard."They don't want men of my age"
damn, that's a shame. Signing up to get killed fighting bogus Repug war would be more evidence of natural selection weeding out the the dumb s.
I still wonder if you would say it to my face. What would you give your
life for, Clinton or protecting the terrorist rights. Or just to get Bush out
of office.
I have PM activated, care to email me?
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too important to ignore.
I don't follow the NFL anymore, so I couldn't have named Tungy before today's news.
But as I read the messages of sorrow and sympathy on the forum today, I immediately thought of the 2000+ sets other parents who've had their children lives wasted in Iraq for the lies of the string-pulling, privileged military service evaders dubya/ head who started this bull war and ran it with stupefying incompetence.
Well for all my fine feathered friends in the forum who hate Bush, you now have
a firm allied.
Hussein: White House 'No. 1 liar in the world'
After day of outbursts, the trial adjourns until January
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The trial of deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, which has fallen into a pattern of grim testimony interrupted by theatrical outbursts, adjourned Thursday for more than a month.
The trial resumes on January 24.
On Thursday, as in previous days, testimony about brutal treatment was interrupted by courtroom tirades by Hussein and his half brother.
Hussein charged Thursday that the Bush administration lied when it claimed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, just at it lied by disputing his claims of being beaten.
"The White House lies once more," Hussein said, "the No. 1 liar in the world. They said in Iraq, there is chemicals, and there is a relation to terrorism, and they announced later we couldn't find any of that in Iraq.
"Also, they said that what Saddam Hussein (said) was not true," he continued in an apparent reference to his claims Wednesday that he and all seven of his codefendants were beaten and tortured by their American captors.
Hussein: 'We don't lie'
"I have do ented the injuries I had before three American medical teams," he said.
Hussein later appeared to waver, saying the medical teams numbered "two, for sure, unequivocally." He began to heal after eight months, he said, but bruises remain three years later.
"We don't lie," he said. "The White House lies."
The U.S. State Department and a spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad said Hussein's claims of beatings and torture were untrue.
Meanwhile, defense attorneys requested that the testimony of prosecution witnesses not be broadcast until all the witnesses have testified, saying they are watching each other's testimonies and repeating them. The court said it would consider that request.
A day of disruptions
Hussein and seven codefendants are charged with crimes against humanity, including the killings of 140 men and boys in the town of Dujail following a failed 1982 assassination attempt against Hussein there.
The trial went into a closed session Thursday at the end of an eventful day in which Hussein and his half brother, Barzan Ibrahim Hassan al-Tikriti repeatedly disrupted the proceedings.
The judge closed the session after Hassan, the former chief of intelligence, asked to speak to him in private. On Wednesday, Hassan said he wanted time to talk to the judge about his health.
Earlier in the day, Hassan launched into long political diatribes, hurling insults at prosecutors, complaining about the conditions of their detention and challenging the legitimacy of the court.
Ranting about the food he is being served, Hassan said a New York Times magazine column mentioned that his ribs are showing because of weight loss.
Hassan also accused prosecutors of being former Baath Party members, implying they should not be leveling accusations against him. The attorneys threatened to walk out and resign from the case.
"This is not justice," Hassan declared. "This is not democracy." Asked to stop by prosecutors, Hassan said, "My talk is strengthening the court, and will give it credibility."
Courtroom fracas
At one point, a fracas erupted among Hassan, Hussein and prosecutors, prompted by Hussein's claim that a guard had been rude to him. "He acted without your orders, so he should be disciplined," Hussein said. "He is a small employee." The guard was removed from the courtroom.
Hussein also challenged the validity of a witness, the first of two to testify Thursday from behind a curtain to protect his iden y. The witness said he was 8 years old at the time of the Dujail killings, but testified his father, his three uncles and his grandmother were arrested and imprisoned.
"She complained to us about what had happened to her," he said of his grandmother, who was released after four years. "They used to torture her before her children and they would torture her children before her. She said, 'They tortured us, and we did not know for what reason.' "
Defense attorneys and Hussein complained about the witness because he was a child at the time, was not arrested and did not see any torture or killings personally.
"His testimony is do ented and accepted, and he's underage (at the time)?" Hussein asked. "This is something I would like to understand. Is this allowed? Is this permissible?"
Hussein claims he was beaten
On Wednesday, Hussein said his American captors beat him "on every part of my body and marks are still on top of my body and that was done by Americans," Hussein said. "Yes, we were beaten by the Americans, and we were tortured, everyone of us." (Watch Hussein's claim of beatings -- 1:37)
Chief prosecutor Jaafar al-Mousawi said he had visited the defendants in their cells and saw no signs of torture.
Christopher Reid, a spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, said none of the defendants has been tortured or beaten.
Also on Wednesday, witness Ali Haj Hussein al-Haydari described more than four years of captivity and torture, and the execution of family members, including several brothers. His brother Hassan, who was among those killed, was one of six men who plotted unsuccessfully to assassinate Hussein.
More than 40 members of his family were taken into custody by government agents. Al-Haydari also talked of "walking through dead bodies" at the headquarters of the Baath Party, the ruling party during Hussein's regime. (Witness recounts seeing abuse, death -- 14:51)
Another witness said he was tortured three times with electric shocks during the initial 17-day period and beaten with cables during the time at Abu Ghraib.
"Even children were beaten with cables," he said. "Children died at Abu Ghraib."
CNN's Aneesh Raman contributed to this report
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Now doesn't that make all of you feel better to be on the same side, of someone
of this fine upstanding individual.
Big Bush Lies: Bush Lies, Then McClellen Lies In Cover-Up Attempt, Jerry Politex
"A federal judge has resigned from the court that oversees government surveillance in intelligence cases in protest of President Bush's secret authorization of a domestic spying program, according to two sources....At the White House, spokesman Scott McClellan was asked to explain why Bush last year said, "Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so." McClellan said the quote referred only to the USA Patriot Act." --Washington Post, Dec. 21, '05.
This is not true. Bush was explaining that there was no difference between wiretaps before the Patriot Act and wiretaps after the Patriot Act: "Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, cons utional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Cons ution." This was a lie, given the New York Times story on the subject on Dec. 16 and Bush's admission on December 17: "On Friday, the New York Times revealed that, after the 2001 terrorist attacks, Bush authorized the NSA to eavesdrop inside the United States without court-approved warrants. The newspaper said thousands of people may have had their phone calls and e-mail monitored as a result. Bush, appearing angry during his radio address, called the program lawful and crucial to safeguarding America from further attacks." --Houston Chronicle.
Human rights are human rights. They are in a word, "unalienable".
I would gladly give my life for a moral cause bigger than myself.
If this means giving an occasional homicidal maniac the same rights I would fight for myself or decendants, so be it.
The point in giving "terrorists" rights, and yes, even Saddam Hussein deserves the same rights, is that we are a civilization that respects the rule of law.
Anything less would mean that the people who have given, and who are willing to give "the last full measure of devotion" have given their that measure for naught.
Turning the clock backwards to a time where the law means nothing, means devolving our society back to one that resembles a developing world dictatorship.
If that is what you are for, you are more than welcome to move to Zimbabwe, I am sure you would be very comfortable with Mugabe's arbitrary style of leadership.
Just when Bush was recovering some tiny shred of credibility, here comes yet another example of how badly run the government is when the GOP is running things.
The other day, President Bush went on Fox News and lied.
U.S. President George W. Bush calls indicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff ``an equal money dispenser'' who helped politicians of both parties. Campaign donation records show Republicans were a lot more equal than Democrats.
Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff gave more than $127,000 to Republican candidates and committees and nothing to Democrats, federal records show. At the same time, his Indian clients were the only ones among the top 10 tribal donors in the U.S. to donate more money to Republicans than Democrats.
Bush's comment about Abramoff in a Dec. 14 Fox News interview was aimed at countering Democratic accusations that Republicans have brought a ``culture of corruption'' to Washington. Even so, the numbers show that ``Abramoff's big connections were with the Republicans,'' said Larry Noble, the former top lawyer for the Federal Election Commission, who directs the Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics.
Jack Abramoff is a central figure in the conservative political machine of the GOP. Republicans are now desperately trying to spread the taint.
Clearly this story could have been even stronger, but at least Bloomberg went to the trouble of gathering the facts and providing their readers with enough information to conclude that the President was intentionally misleading the American people.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...JUbSI&refer=us
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Maybe you two should settle this like men at the next GTG. Have Kori set it up.
"Telling outright falsehoods has become old hat for the Bush Administration, hasn't it? I mean, really, we've had a whole load of whoppers lately, but in today's WaPo, Glenn Kessler unloads on the latest "urban legend" to come out of the Preznit's mouth.
It seems the whole "the fact that we were following Osama bin Laden because he was using a certain type of telephone made it into the press as the result of a leak." is nothing but a big, old lie.
The al Qaeda leader's communication to aides via satellite phone had already been reported in 1996 -- and the source of the information was another government, the Taliban, which ruled Afghanistan at the time.
The second time a news organization reported on the satellite phone, the source was bin Laden himself.
It's kind of tough to blame it on the media when Bin Laden is the one who told the media in the first place that he was using satellite phones, now isn't it?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...94.html?sub=AR
A Bin Laden satellite phone?
Yeah, why doesn't Bin Laden just wear a bulleyes for the Predators?
is this the phone?
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