Artest to Pacers: Trade me

[leemajors]

if bender retired like he may this year, when does his contract come off the books?

[sickdsm]

I don't mind the Pistons posters. Why? First their team has talent, second they do it with a system like the Spurs and they have won a championship with it, and third, they talk smack but in generally a tone reserved for posters that understand that fans of champion teams (and I am including them in that category) deserve respect - especially if they are long-term fans.

Now what I hate is a Suns, Pacers, or Mavs or worse as was done lately, a friggin Wolves fan attempting to somehow talk smack - when and if your team hangs a real banner in the rafters, come back and bring it. Pistons can bring some, no worries, as they surely respect the Spurs and their fans back.

Finely most are respectful and bring good takes consistently, as I said before "no worries".

And by the way, I was one of those who stupidly predicted the Pacers to come out of the East, now that looks like my personnal worst prediction, but it is a long season.

I assume you're not talking about me. I don't run smack about the wolves being as good or better when there not.

As for Artest to the wolves, if its a deal that involves wally i'm all for it. Wally's playing very well, the wolves are doing well but the roster can be loaded as much as it wants to be and they will never do anything worthwhile if your second best player is Wally Szerbiak. Frankly i'd think you'd have a better chance at getting something usefull out of a nutty artest than a wally playing in a slump. Its a risk i'd be willing to take. A 4th quarter lineup of Griffen/KG/Artest/Hassell and either Jaric or Carter would probably be one if not the best defensive sets in the league, with enough offense to go around.

[Vashner]

Fire him like TO.. time to put these prissy overpaid punks out of the games...

Let the hungry people that love the game play... BEEP the punks.

[1Parker1]

Pacers are really missing Reggie Miller. Just goes to show you how much of an impact Reggie had on those losers for the past 2 years.

[smdanss]

Artest for Bowen, Barry, Rasho, and whoever the we can throw in there

We will keep Bowen till his retirement. Others will be fine. But how can we handle Artest in the team?

[Kori Ellis]

Artest on the move?
Chris Sheridan
ESPN Insider

posted: Sunday, December 11, 2005

When the weekend began, it appeared Mike Woodson and Rick Adelman were both sitting on the hottest of hot seats, their coaching jobs in jeopardy with the Atlanta Hawks and Sacramento Kings underperforming so woefully.
Woodson escaped by getting a strong public endorsement from general manager Billy Knight even before the Hawks stunned the Spurs, while Adelman may have dodged the guillotine, perhaps temporarily, when the Kings traveled to Seattle and shot a season-high 58 percent in posting their highest point total of the season while defeating the Sonics 123-104 Saturday night.

So who's feeling the heat now?

How about Larry Bird, who left Saturday on a scouting trip to Spain just as Ron Artest was speaking to the Pacers' beat writer, Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star, and telling him he wanted to be traded.

Artest said he was frustrated playing in the controlled offense favored by coach Rick Carlisle, going so far as to say, "I personally don't like playing for him."

The matter now falls to Bird, who will likely try to accommodate Artest's trade demand in order to keep a bad situation from turning worse. Nobody knows better than the Pacers how volatile Artest can be, and there's no telling how bad the next chapter of this soap opera will be if Carlisle and Artest are forced to co-exist once Artest is ready to return from a wrist injury.

The strongest rumor out there over the weekend had the Kings and Pacers discussing a swap of Artest for Peja Stojakovic, but Adelman said Sacramento had not had any internal discussions about trading the small forward from Serbia who will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

If the Kings feel certain they're going to lose Stojakovic after the season and get nothing in return, they'd be fools if they didn't at least consider whether it would be worth the risk to make a run at Artest, who is under contract for two more seasons and has a player option for 2008-09.

Artest told the Star he'd like to be traded to the Cavaliers or Knicks, but Indiana would almost certainly try to trade him to a Western Conference team.

The Memphis Grizzlies had interest in acquiring Artest last season when he was serving his season-long suspension for his role in The Palace brawl, but Jerry West has always refused in the past to part with Shane Battier, the player Indiana would likely ask for (along with a throw-in from the Grizzlies to make the salaries match) in an Artest trade.

The problem for Bird, should he decide to trade Artest quickly, will be getting equal value in return. Most players of Artest's skill level make considerably more than Artest's 2005-06 salary of $6.84 million, so the Pacers would have to include another player (Austin Croshere makes $7.9 this season, $7.3 next season) to get back someone earning a maximum-level salary.

Ironically, one of their best options may be a deal with the Hawks for ex-Pacer Al Harrington, who Atlanta fears losing as an unrestricted free agent when his contract expires at the end of this season.

The Hawks are trying to be proactive in shaking things up, but it sure doesn't look like that shakeup will include Woodson after Knight gave the coach a ringing endorsement that went far beyond the usual (dreaded) vote of confidence.

"Woody is not getting fired. Woody is our coach. And Woody will be our coach. My job is to continue to try to make this team better and improve everything within our organization. And that's what I spend all of my days doing -- trying to come up with ways to make things better," Knight told the Atlanta Journal-Cons ution's Sekou Smith. "Woody is not getting fired and he will be our coach. I want that to be headlines."

Many more trade options will open up Thursday, the first date that players who signed contracts over the summer can be dealt. Expect Earl Watson of the Denver Nuggets to be one of the first players traded, and New York's Jerome James and Milwaukee's Dan Gadzuric have also been mentioned as Dec. 15 trade-eligible players who could find themselves on new teams by next weekend.

[boutons]

"Jerome James"

THAT contract didn't stick long!

[ducks]

Artest told the Star he'd like to be traded to the Cavaliers or Knicks, but Indiana would almost certainly try to trade him to a Western Conference team.

james gets artest on his team that would be BAD NEWS FOR THE NBA
he would ruin him

[sprrs]

I think the league should shorten the 4th quarter to 11:59.6

agreed

[Silent Bob]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=artest


Welcome to the party beyatches.


Sincerely,

a inmonthago.

rasho, expendable. parker, expendable.

and if earl watkins and jerome james are available, Pop needs to get on the phone right ing now.

[Kori Ellis]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=artest


Welcome to the party beyatches.


Sincerely,

a inmonthago.

rasho, expendable. parker, expendable.

and if earl watkins and jerome james are available, Pop needs to get on the phone right ing now.

I've been saying I wouldn't mind Artest here for two years.

Thanks for catching up a month ago. Hahaha.

[Kori Ellis]

By the way Artest only makes $6M. The guys that are expendable are one of Rasho, Nazr and Barry. But the Spurs are a good team, they don't need to take a risk on Artest. Whoever gets Artest will be a team in desperation, not a contender.

And Earl Watson is good. But Jerome James is horrible.

[Silent Bob]

I've been saying I wouldn't mind Artest here for two years.

Thanks for catching up a month ago. Hahaha.

fair enough. LINK? to where you said the trade should be made?

cuz even in your last post, your wishy washy.

"the spurs don't NEED artest."

I'll go ahead and TAKE A STAND and say, yes they do.

and I got love for you, but your opinion in which you claim to have supported for over two years is con uously absent from the get artest thread i linked.

[Silent Bob]

By the way Artest only makes $6M. The guys that are expendable are one of Rasho, Nazr and Barry. But the Spurs are a good team, they don't need to take a risk on Artest. Whoever gets Artest will be a team in desperation, not a contender.

And Earl Watson is good. But Jerome James is horrible.

bye bye rasho.


and i still can't believe how anyone can praise rasho in one breath and berate james in the next.

does ANYONE on this forum actually believe the Sonics take our Spurs to 6 games last year if Rasho was a sonic and James was a Spur?

Anyone?

Buehler?

[Kori Ellis]

bye bye rasho.


and i still can't believe how anyone can praise rasho in one breath and berate james in the next.

does ANYONE on this forum actually believe the Sonics take our Spurs to 6 games last year if Rasho was a sonic and James was a Spur?

Anyone?

Buehler?

James sucks.

Watch him play.

[Silent Bob]

i saw the Spurs vs. Sonics series last year. i know the man can play...when inspired.


maybe i just have more faith in POP and his abilities to coach and inspire the players that have a pair.

Rasho and Hedo being prime examples of the 'without' group.

[travis2]

Another drug addict who thinks James > Rasho???

[Supergirl]

Dude, I thought this was one of those well-written joke articles. Artest really wants to be traded? If it wasn't for the patience and loyalty of the Pacers, he'd be collecting unemployment right now.

[sickdsm]

Spurs NEED artest?

[Phenomanul]

Spurs chemistry is at an all-time high (they are gellin' like Magellan) ... we don't need Artest...

Question: What do I do with Artest on my fantasy roster for the week?????

[pache100]

That would be a disaster, this guy is a friggin lunatic. Talented as all yes, but he is a ticking time bomb it is only a matter of time before he has another meltdown.

I agree. He is very similar, in the disruptive-potential sense, to Dennis Rodman. The difference is, I don't think Rodman required violence to carry out his outrageousness. Artest has proven to the world that nothing is out of the question...even violence.

Artest=murder looking for a place to happen.

trade him to the hawks. they are obviously contenders. i mean they did beat the spurs.

That was my first thought, too.

Seriously, though, I am surprised that Atlanta or Toronto or Portland hasn't snatched up Sprewell.

Prediction about Ron Artest ... he won't be playing in the league 3 years from now.

People quite often take for granted an NBA player's ability and motivation to play at a high level year in year out. Players like Jordan, Duncan and even Malone set themselves apart from the others not just in terms of talent but also in terms of bringing it every season, after trying to tune their game and their fitness every offseason.

Ron is just not capable of exhibiting this kind of work ethic. He's got tons of talent, but very little discipline or patience. In a way, he's quitting on his team and coach ... that too, when his team was poised to be one of the contenders in this league. It doesn't get better than this ... what is he hoping for? Next year he might find himself on a crappy Knicks team, and he'll be complaining about that. Really, this guy can't achieve success even if it's handed on a platter to him.

Precisely. This is the same reason that some people who win the Heisman award because they are outstanding college football players/athletes (some are involved in other sports besides football) CANNOT cut it in the NFL. Same concept.

[pache100]

Dude, I thought this was one of those well-written joke articles. Artest really wants to be traded? If it wasn't for the patience and loyalty of the Pacers, he'd be collecting unemployment right now.

Yes, it's for real. It's all over ESPN and the other sports news websites this morning. And, I heard it on my Austin radio station (which does not even tend to lean toward sports news unless it concerns the Texas Longhorns, )

[nkdlunch]

Artest esta mas loco que una cabra

[wildbill2u]

How do you balance talent with craziness or bad at ude? That is the question for anyone that picks up Artest.

Teams like the Spurs that are pretty secure with their personnel are not likely to take a chance. Teams like Atlanta have some good young players and nowhere to go but up, but why take a chance on ruining those players?

Teams like NY however have nothing to lose at this point and Brown may think he's a coach that can get the best out of Artest without all the problems as he did with R. Wallace.

[sickdsm]

Gellin' like Magellan?
Add Artest the felon!
If you do, your mind is a melon,
Spurs fans heads will be a-swellin'
Fewer tickets will be sellin'
TPark will be yellin'
This is the truth i'm tellin'