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And wasn;t Lincoln's objective to maintain the Union?
Ebolishing slavery was just a politcal move. Keepign the Union intact was numero uno.
everybody and thier mother knows that Jeffersopn had slaves and that he knocked one of them up. In fact he may have knocked up more than one.. btu hte one he had a so-called "relationship" with for years was a slave he inhertied thru his wife (she came along at the time of the marriage). I never knew Jefferson's life had been "cleaned up" or "polished". He was who he was. I remeber learning about his life - good AND bad in school. Where do they teach that jefferson is squeaky clean??
and why does Lincoln's realtives possibly owning slaves make HIM a hypocrite? Becasue if your the president you have some kind of all controllign power over your family? Bill Clinton's brother has been arrested for DWI a few times... does that make Bill an alcoholic? My cousin is black. She is married to a white man whose eentire family are card carrying members of the KKK. Does that make him (the husband) a hypocrite? Becasue his FAMILY is KKK??
And wasn;t Lincoln's objective to maintain the Union?
Ebolishing slavery was just a politcal move. Keepign the Union intact was numero uno.
The Confederate flag in common usage connotes, "I am a Southern white person and proud of it."
The Nazi flag connotes, "I agree with the ideals of the Third Reich."
I have a hard time believing that rednecks who sport Confederate flags want to secede from the United States, or bring back slavery.
Anyway,
those girls are dumbass's and they need to leave thier ridiculesly ugly purses at home.
Absolute revisionist bull .
The states' articles of secession say nothing about crop payments. They say that the states were seceding because the federal government was trying to force a slavery ban on them in violation of the Tenth Amendment.
Unless you would like to claim said articles are fabrications?
Yes, it sucks to admit that your ancestors fought in defense of the only government in history to codify the ins ution of slavery as a fundamental right in its cons ution. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and denial of that, and projection of blame onto others, is less painful.All this about the Union was in the "right" is bull and lies being taught to our kids. They were both wrong and ing stupid. End of story.
And the Union had slaves, and did the blacks the same way the South did. The Union's MONEY covered it up.
Clearly, there were slavery proponents in Union states. There were Union border states like Missouri that kept slaves.
And Lincoln did not wage the war in order to eliminate slavery, but rather to keep the Union intact, lest every political contention turn the middle of North America eventually into dozens of weak independent states upon which the European powers could prey.
And while the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments were passed in the aftermath of the war, the latter two were not enforced from 1877-1964, which tells you how seriously the North took the issue of equality.
Plus, the Klan started in Indiana, not the South.
So, sure, the North has its blemishes. That doesn't change the fact that Union soldiers bled and died to keep the Union together, while the Rebels fought and died to keep their fellow human beings in bondage, on behalf of wealthy landowners.
Talk about ing stupid.
Somebody needs to just design a new flag for the South. That way there's a symbol for irrationally intense Southern Pride that doesn't also imply the condoning of hangin' negras. Maybe Charlie Daniels could design it.
Might need one for the North too so haughty New Englanders can have something to fly out of their apartment windows.
It's not necessarily "racist" in the way we usually think of it. Just because one displays the rebel flag does not mean one thinks blacks are inferior.
The banner undeniably does represent race, however. It is the flag of Southern white people. It is a nationalist flag. And it's the only widely used racially nationalist flag I can think of in this country, save the flags of immigrant ancestors (Italians, etc.) I suppose the Texas flag has something like that kind of pride wrapped up in it, though unlike the rebel cross it represents all Texans, rather than just the white ones.
And one can understand the bewilderment of blacks at seeing Southern whites choose as their banner that of the army which fought to keep their forefathers in bondage.
They already have one. It has thirteen horizontal stripes, alternating red and white, and the upper left quadrant is blue, with 50 stars.
Oh my goodness, the stars and stripes. Not that, it represents all those that are phophic, that defend the country. Why they cant be allowed
to wear it on national news because we cant declare we are for the U.S.
We can only burn it or deface it, because it shows how we want to declare
how fair we are to diversity.
You said it's not racist then invoked that it is. Way to contradict yourself.It's not necessarily "racist" in the way we usually think of it. Just because one displays the rebel flag does not mean one thinks blacks are inferior.
The banner undeniably does represent race, however. It is the flag of Southern white people. It is a nationalist flag. And it's the only widely used racially nationalist flag I can think of in this country, save the flags of immigrant ancestors (Italians, etc.) I suppose the Texas flag has something like that kind of pride wrapped up in it, though unlike the rebel cross it represents all Texans, rather than just the white ones.
And one can understand the bewilderment of blacks at seeing Southern
All I'm offended by is people being offended by it.
That's my heritage and my people.
And if I went by this thread I should be ashamed?
Just because people want to believe the Union was spiffy clean?
Can you guys not think for one second that the Confederate flag stood for something other than racism?
It's about labels. People have to stick something with something and that is just convienant and easy for people to do.
I sport the rebel flag in the GHETTO. I live in North Little Rock! If you've been to central Arkansas you know we have a big population of blacks! And you wanna know how many problems I've had with the flag? ZERO. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T OFFEND THEM. , I even rode to school each morning in my rebel window shaded truck and picked up my friend who was black and his buddy! Were they offended? Nope.
Was anyone at my school offended? Uh, nope. Was my truck ever vandalized or was I ever talked to about it? No. Why? Because people in the South know the truth. They know the bull Yank's and people throw around just to throw blame.
Not that 100% of the South feels like I do. But it's the label you guys and the rest of the world put on the Rebel flag that I am ing sick of. YOU KNOW NOTHING of what you speak of then. So many people here have made fools of theirselves just because they have fallen into the peer pressure culture to believe what mommy and daddy told them about.
Not once have I had a problem with anyone cause of the Rebel flag pattern in my back glass of my truck. I even offered to take it down to my friends (half of them being black) and they said it wasn't a problem that it was just a label people put on a flag. Matter of fact, my friend Rodney told me "Africans are proud of their heritage and culture and we display it everywhere and you don't see people riding our ass about it unless it's some stupid rapper making a fool of himself." And he's right. I even used to have a signature that was 1/3 rebel 1/3 american 1/3 arkansas flag.
Notice a trend?
Do people complain about this? Ohhhh nooooo because this one is okay it don't "mean" anything.
Give me a break. Enough ing said.
brutalis I have no problem with you putting that bull on your ride
if you want to make such a strong cultural statement
thats your right
but you should be smart enough to know how most people will read that
you cant change what people think
but oh well
youre a rebel huh
from arkansas
who likes USC
pretty hardcore
Heh. Democrats.
^use black votes only to further sexual agenda
Nah. I know I am the minority and it's okay. I would love to change how people think because I feel sad that I am looked at in that way when it's just not true.
And I ing HATE USC. You punkass!
If I wore a rockets shirt because I liked the logo and what "rockets" stood for
I would/could still be a spurs fan
and people who knew me personally would know that
but I would be smart enough to know John Q Public would think I was a rockets fan
simple
Maybe in your state.
ark and Tx arent considered the historical south anyway?
hey but the sticker looks cool
do you also have Misfits shirts?
Are you in college? Is this how bright UT people are? No wonder Oklahoma owned Texas for so many years.
Anyhoo.
Arkansas is a historical Confederate state. And Texas was too... *I might add that you guys played a small role in the war though and I understand why Texans deny they were apart of the Confederecy today. You guy's didn't fight in the war I don't recall.
I don't go to UT
never said I did
I would only consider the 'historical south' one of the 13 original colonies
cool though
floridas in the south too...
I just don't see many confederate flags here in SOUTH TEXAS
but its a confederate state
Like I said you guys didn't play a huge role in fighting the war so I see why there's no Confederate flags.
I know you didnt say you went to UT I just wondered.
And what you consider the historical south and what is the historical south are two different things.
The 13 original colonies?
Lmao. I gadda save that quote.
there are not 75% mexicanos in Arkansas?
imagine...
Arkansas actually has the countries largest growing population of Mexicans.... what do they have to do with anything?
they dont usually fly the conferate flag
historically...
anyway
way to have mexicanos!
Honestly what the are you talking about man?
And yeah it's a pretty cool thing. They want jobs and Arkansas has plenty of then. is finally getting done in this state and funny how it only took migrant workers to do it. In no way am I insulting them I'm just saying I don't mind them being here unlike a lot of people in this state.
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