The Truth About Nazr

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

Garnett in starting lineup in the playoffs = no le ever.

Nazr > Garnett ????

Stupid logic.

I'm talking starting lineup of the Spurs. Use some common sense. Rasho has NEVER been a key player in ANY Spurs le run.

[TwoHandJam]

Rasho
career 5.9 RPG
best season 7.7 RPG

Nazr
career 5.6 RPG
best season 7.9 RPG

You misunderstood my post. When I said Nazr has at least averaged 8 rpg during his career, I meant he has had at least one season (not his career average) where he averaged 8 rpg or more, which he has. He averaged 9 rpg in 00-01 with the Hawks, 7.9 rpg in 01-02 and 8.1 rpg over 54 games with NYK before he came to SA. All better than Rasho's best averages.

More important than all this however are their stats in the postseason. Nazr's rebounding stats actually rise from 5.6 (career) to 5.9 (postseason) while Rasho's decline markedly from 5.9 (career) to 3.6 (postseason). That is particularly damning.

[Kori Ellis]

Did you see he got pulled out after he let his man go middle?

Bowen got on him about it, but Pop pulled him right afterward anyway.

Like I keep saying, whatever else he does on the floor is going to keep getting overshadowed by the fact he doesn't get the basics on D.

[Kori Ellis]

He averaged 9 rpg in 00-01 with the Hawks

Wasn't that only about 25 games?

[T Park]

But why not think outside the Spurs box?

why, its won 3 rings.

WHy break something if its not broken.

[Man In Black]

You misunderstood my post. When I said Nazr has at least averaged 8 rpg during his career, I meant he has had at least one season (not his career average) where he averaged 8 rpg or more, which he has. He averaged 9 rpg in 00-01 with the Hawks, 7.9 rpg in 01-02 and 8.1 rpg over 54 games with NYK before he came to SA. All better than Rasho's best averages.

More important than all this however are their stats in the postseason. Nazr's rebounding stats actually rise from 5.6 (career) to 5.9 (postseason) while Rasho's decline markedly from 5.9 (career) to 3.6 (postseason). That is particularly damning.

Rasho can say that, as the primary center for the Spurs, he helped them get an NBA record for least points allowed per game. Has Nazr ever done that as a primary center?

[E20]

Rasho can say that, as the primary center for the Spurs, he helped them get an NBA record for least points allowed per game. Has Nazr ever done that as a primary center?

Who was the primary center forthe Spurs playoff run in 2003-2004?

Who was the primary center for the Spurs Championship run in 2004-2005?

[Man In Black]

Okay let's get back to that past tense mode. Do you blame Rasho completely for the loss to LA and Fish's remarkable shot?

It's a team game, you numbskulls keep looking for a magic bullet and you think he wears #2. Pop is looking for the best chance to win by fielding the best starting 5 and he is telling you that his center wears #8.
Ultimately since his view is the strongest, all this whining about Nazr is just that.
The guy won't start until he gets it.

[E20]

If we got past LA we would have to play Detroits' frontline. I don't think Rasho would be a factor, Nazr would play physical with them, but he will only be a little better. The only reason we beat Detroit was because of Horry.

[Rummpd]

For all of Detroits vaunted frontline Duncan had about the scoring of both Wallaces and nearly as many rebounds in the finals last year!


If he is healthy and Nazr plays more Spurs will be ok.

[TwoHandJam]

Wasn't that only about 25 games?

Good catch Kori, I didn't pay attention to the # of games that year. However, my second point about the postseason stands.

About Nazr missing assignments, sure he's still making mistakes but I still feel Pop yanks him too often and too quickly. Either give him a fair shake or trade him because we already know Rasho can't hang with Detroit when it's going to really matter. Unfortunately he's missed training camp again this year so Pop has no choice but to give him in-game time if he's really going to evaluate him.

[Kori Ellis]

sure he's still making mistakes but I still feel Pop yanks him too often and too quickly.

Well he got pulled quickly tonight but I don't know if it was too quick.

I don't understand why he doesn't get the basics.

[Man In Black]

What,practice time doesn't help Pop in his evaluation of Nazr?

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

Well he got pulled quickly tonight but I don't know if it was too quick.

I don't understand why he doesn't get the basics.

Yeah, the basics really helped tonight on that Gasol dunk that almost cost the Spurs the game. Just about every player on this team misses rotations.

[TwoHandJam]

What,practice time doesn't help Pop in his evaluation of Nazr?

Apparently Bowen shoots something like 90% from the FT line in practice. Sean Marks was given a chance to make the rotation this year because of his performances in practice. Players coming back from injury rehab like crazy in practice and are still winded when they return. Do you really think practice can tell you all you need to know about a player?

[Peter]

The truth about Mohammed is that when he starts against the Pistons, you don't end up with an average of 2.5 boards per contest, unlike a certain other Spur "center".

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Rasho can say that, as the primary center for the Spurs, he helped them get an NBA record for least points allowed per game. Has Nazr ever done that as a primary center?

Nazr can say that as the primary center he's helped lead the Spurs to a ring. Can Rasho say that?

Of course Nazr is going to up, he doesn't get to play enough to click with his teammates. If you don't play the guy often, and yank him the first time he s up when he does, of course he's going to be passive and make mistakes - he's looking over his shoulder every play to see if he's coming out.

I think he outrebounded Rasho tonight with roughly half the minutes of play. Pop needs to pull out the 2005 championship DVD and realize who his starting center was for that run.

[Dre_7]

Of course Nazr is going to up, he doesn't get to play enough to click with his teammates. If you don't play the guy often, and yank him the first time he s up when he does, of course he's going to be passive and make mistakes - he's looking over his shoulder every play to see if he's coming out.

DING DING DING!

Thank you AHF! We rarely agree, but this time, you are RIGHT ON!

Play Nazr!

[TexasAggie2005]

Everyone that keeps pimping Nazr: Maybe we won a championship last year in spite of having Nazr start, rather than because of it? Who's to say we wouldn't have won in a more convincing fashion with Rasho starting? It's not like we dominated Detroit. I'll take Rasho's relative lack of mobility of Nazr's defensive lapses any day. Evidently, so would Pop.

Nazr and Barry both should (and probably will) be traded right before the deadline. We're just waiting until other teams are desperate to trade. No one wants to give us anything this early.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Who's to say we wouldn't have won in a more convincing fashion with Rasho starting? It's not like we dominated Detroit.

My fellow Ag, you need to watch more games. The difference between teh physicality of Nazr vs. Rasho is night and day. If you kicked Rasho in the balls he'd go on the injured list for the rest of the season. If you kicked Nazr in the balls he'd shrug it off and rip your head off and shove it down your throat.

There is no comparison between the two.

[TDMGTP]

Who's to say we wouldn't have won in a more convincing fashion with Rasho starting? It's not like we dominated Detroit. I'll take Rasho's relative lack of mobility of Nazr's defensive lapses any day. Evidently, so would Pop.

GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY(TEXASAGGIE2005)....LOL

RASHO'S PLAYOFF CAREER:
19MIN 4.2PTS 3.6REB

NAZR'S PLAYOFF CAREER:
20MIN 6.8PTS 6REB --------- 1 RING AS A STARTER
7-9FG 1-2FT 15REB(9 on OFF) 1AST 2SLT 4BLK 15pts
3-7FG 4-6FT 13REB(4 on OFF) 1AST 1STL 1BLK 10pts
8-10FG 3-5FT 7REB(3 on OFF) 1AST 19pts in 20mins too
in the playoffs he scored 6 times 10pts or more.

so you are tellin me that rasho could of done this in the playoffs last year?

do you remember the the last time rasho rebounded in double figures...NOT THIS SEASON. NAZR is getting dissed and has still managed to get in reb double figures, 10 @ Golden State 11/23/05.

ITS SO OBVIOUS, NAZR MIGHT UP HERE AND THERE, BUT HE GIVES YOU BETTER GAMES MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.


AGAIN GET A LOAD OF THAT GUY AGGIE2005

[leemajors]

both of them are extremely foul prone and not that great at the moment. i think nazr had 3 fouls in like 6 mins last night. i don't see any compelling evidence that nazr is that much better than rasho. last playoffs maybe, but nazr hasn't shown us jack this season. again, rasho isn't the reason the spurs collapsed last night. neither one of them has any business being on the court with under 10 mins left in the 4th.

[TwoHandJam]

I agree that Nazr may not be the answer but lets at least give him the chance to prove or disprove it by letting him start for a few games in a row - missed rotations or not.

[ChumpDumper]

Nazr gets a chance to prove himself every time he hits the floor and he fails. Everybody knows what he needs to do including him. I imagine Pop would be open to giving him all the welfare minutes you guys would like to give him were Rasho not rotating better. If Nazr is as good as you advertise, he'll show it in practice and games. I hope he is.

[boutons_]

"I don't understand why he doesn't get the basics."

because he has poor head for the game, low BB IQ.

8 years in the NBA, and he still doesn't have a clue about a lot of stuff. He's tall, long arms, sometimes aggressive on the offense boards (what's wrong with the defensive boards?), and gets rebounds. Beyond that, almost nothing to recommend him.

Sean was almost mocking Nazr last night when he was mis-matched on a guard in the corner, had his arms up, the guard danced a little, Nazr dropped his arms, went back on his heels, the guard bombed a 3G uncontested. They even ran it on replay.

Compare with Fabricio smothering Tay in pretty much the same situation so hard that Tay had to call a timeout. Fabricio doesn't have the height, but he understands how to play.