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You do know the PGA Tour Resort is going to be built, right?
I think those easily casting blame for this incident can just as easily blame the Express-News for publicizing this case in the first place, which should have been kept as a internal company matter. When you e-mail someone from a business e-mail address I don't think it's an unfair assumption that they are representing the company. Fair or not that's the way it is and the company has every right to know what is in the e-mail and take what-ever action they feel is necessary to make this policy clear to their employees.
As far as those of you wondering why the council-women didn't follow up on the complaint of her cons uent, well, how do we know she won't have after the Zachry matter was resolved? Clearly, there were two issues here. E-mail abuse and the actual complaint.
Everyone is acting like they are related to this guy, blaming everyone else except with whom the real blame lies - himself. He put the bullets in the gun, he put the gun against his head, and he pulled the trigger. He could have fought these accusations, or at the very least, publicly corrected any misunderstanding of racial overtones. He could have sat on his ass and come in here and plead his case, but for what-ever reason he chose not to do any of that, and that's the real shame.
You do know the PGA Tour Resort is going to be built, right?
I don't think anybody has said he wasn't to blame and nobody is claiming that suicide was his best (or only) option. I think what most of us are thinking is...
1. Is it the councilwoman's job to report company e-mail abuse? And I'm guessing that's what made this newsworthy. That and the fact that it was the second time in a year a person was fired from that company for "e-mail abuse" (and that other little thing of making comments that might put the company - a city contractor - in the line of fire).
2. I'm taking exception to his being labled a racist when I don't believe there were racial overtones in that e-mail. As I made the point earlier, why should it be any different if my Hispanic mother sent that same e-mail versus two of our white neighbors for similar situations?
Yeah, but from what I understood it was smaller than originally planned, not whole wise but develomentally
Man Johnny Blaze, I'm reluctant to say it because you will probably go off course after this, but you and I are thinking exactly alike. Since you've covered so much, I just want to add a couple of candid thoughts.
- I would like to see this city councilperson resign solely on how this person (her) handled the situation. I've watched all of the WOAI interviews and her responses have been poor. She was asked if she would do anything different and she stuttered for about 3 seconds before avoiding the question. She just wanted to focus on praying for the family was the response. What does that even mean? So right now all she's doing is constantly praying for the family. No, that was her attempting to have a politically correct answer that cast her in the best light possible. It didn't. The right answer was "Yes, whether I was just or wrong, I would not want anyone to lose their life."
- I don't like the idea of having a gay or transgendered or whatever acronym they are councilperson in San Antonio. Did everyone know this when she was elected? Did she run solo? Their personal views do not accurately reflect the views of the population they represent and ultimately it creates an internal struggle in their mind.
I'm not sure if her being a lesbian booster played a role in how she acted here, but the way she bypassed her duties was repugnant. As an elected public official, all of her public acts should be subject to the utmost public scrutiny and therefore I do not admonish, but praise the media's constant pressure of this councilperson.
The crux of this unfortunate scenario is a city councilperson received a legitimate email and rather than addressing it, reported it to the hosting company of the email. The facts strongly elicit that she perceived George erson would be sanctioned. That is adding to the problem, not the solution, councilperson.
Councilperson calls upon racism for justification, but the fact of the matter is the letter never mentioned any race or ethnicity and was focused on eradicating his neighborhood of roudy night club goers and their effects. erson referred to them as low class, not because of who they were, but what they did.
I know one person who I'd like to see resign. I'm sure she could secure a position at the Saint, where these types of shenanigans fly.
Hehe...Thanks...at least these dicsussions are civil and I hope I can become alike with you in poker.
But here goes.
I would argue that the city is better served with a GLBT voice on the Council. I don't have numbers, but I would believe that the GLBT population is roughly ten percent of the city's population (which would be served by ten percent of the Council).- I would like to see this city councilperson resign solely on how this person (her) handled the situation. I've watched all of the WOAI interviews and her responses have been poor. She was asked if she would do anything different and she stuttered for about 3 seconds before avoiding the question. She just wanted to focus on praying for the family was the response. What does that even mean? So right now all she's doing is constantly praying for the family. No, that was her attempting to have a politically correct answer that cast her in the best light possible. It didn't. The right answer was "Yes, whether I was just or wrong, I would not want anyone to lose their life."
- I don't like the idea of having a gay or transgendered or whatever acronym they are councilperson in San Antonio. Did everyone know this when she was elected? Did she run solo? Their personal views do not accurately reflect the views of the population they represent and ultimately it creates an internal struggle in their mind.
I'm not sure if her being a lesbian booster played a role in how she acted here, but the way she bypassed her duties was repugnant. As an elected public official, all of her public acts should be subject to the utmost public scrutiny and therefore I do not admonish, but praise the media's constant pressure of this councilperson.
The crux of this unfortunate scenario is a city councilperson received a legitimate email and rather than addressing it, reported it to the hosting company of the email. The facts strongly elicit that she perceived George erson would be sanctioned. That is adding to the problem, not the solution, councilperson.
Councilperson calls upon racism for justification, but the fact of the matter is the letter never mentioned any race or ethnicity and was focused on eradicating his neighborhood of roudy night club goers and their effects. erson referred to them as low class, not because of who they were, but what they did.
I know one person who I'd like to see resign. I'm sure she could secure a position at the Saint, where these types of shenanigans fly.
Also, she is and was openly lesbian during her campaign. She won a majority of the votes in her general election (out of eight candidates) and obviously in the runoff.
So yeah, I agree with most of what you said - save for the GLBT community's representation and her thoughts accuratly reflecting that community. While it might not necessarily reflect District 7, I don't think there's a "gay" district in San Antonio where she might "better reflect that community."
As far as everything else goes, yeah, she ed up.
You make a good point about the percentage representation. I didn't consider that.
Also, I didn't know she ran openly lesbian and opposed by so many. I'm impressed she won. I'll disagree with you on whether a BLT gangster is better for the city, but that's just personal opinion.
PS You might want to rethink being like me in poker, I think I'm in the hole for about $100, maybe more
It's clear that she handled this situation unprofessionally. If she thought the man was making racist comments, why not tell the man that, or better yet, ignore him?
As for her being a lesbian, I don't think that matters too much. Maybe that makes her more "sensitive" to discrimination/racism, I don't know.
She just plain ed up. Telling his employer on him is done only if you expect that to cause some harm to him. The man's email detailed why he had a problem with that club. He did express his views with some coloful language, but it was not racial in nature. Hopefully she pays for her unprofessional conduct in some manner.
If she's not "forced" to resign by her actions, I guarantee the next 15 months of her time on the City Council will be her last.
I'm just not sure what you mean by 'by-passing her duties'. Clearly there was a set policy by Zachry concerning the use of their company e-mail servers and the council-woman reported this abuse. Fair enough. Was the E-mail Mr. erson sent racially bias? Well, perhaps the best judge of that is the company itself, and based on their reaction, my guess is they probably thought it was. Doesn't matter what you and I think.I'm not sure if her being a lesbian booster played a role in how she acted here, but the way she bypassed her duties was repugnant. As an elected public official, all of her public acts should be subject to the utmost public scrutiny and therefore I do not admonish, but praise the media's constant pressure of this councilperson.
Her job is to respond to cons utents' views and complaints, not tattle-tale on them.
I didn't realize that councilpersons were charged with enforcing private businesses internal policies.
If we all lived by that, the Spurs, NBA, NFL, MLB, College Sports and Political forums would all be pretty desolate.
That would be an easy debate for the other guy
Question:"Sir How do you feel about the new transit authority and how will it affect your district."
Opponent: "Did you know that the councilwoman made a guy kill himself"
Question: "Okay? Uh How do you feel the school system will upgrade in the next year"
Opponent "Repeat, Guy.....Kill.....Himself"
Is the company in her district? That could be a type of reason. If not than what did she have to do with them.
Dan, I think you fail to realize that many of us - while we may disagree with Zachry's actions - don't fault them for running their business the way they choose.
Sure, is their policy hypocritical in that other people aren't reprimanded? Yes.
The E-N pointed out that they have seen e-mails from Zachry servers asking about eateries, golf courses and much more - which many, if not all of us, tend to do from whatever e-mail address we have open. But again, if they choose to enforce their policies, that's their right.
I'm actually kind of shocked that you of all people are absolving a member of the government and allowing them to enforce private business policies.
This wasn't child porn or a crime being committed, which she would have been under obligation to report it to law enforcement authorities. This was a complaint about something in both the e-mailer and councilwoman's district.
This was a district complaint to somebody who could have done something about it, and she went and played Zachry HR Employee of the Month.
Good question.
Answer: Nope.
A map of their home office...very far from District 7.
The southern-most point of District 7 is Commerce St.
Last edited by Johnny_Blaze_47; 02-05-2006 at 02:33 PM.
Well one of her duties is to respond to people like George erson. Instead of doing something to address his concerns, she told on him. Hence, bypassed him.
How is the company the best judge of erson's racial bias? Basing whether or not he was racist on the companies firing of him is flawed at best. There are a plethora of other policies or factors that could have led to his firing.
Also, on a punctual note, if you quote someone, you have to use their exact words. What you did is paraphrase.
They are if the company choses for it to be. Especially concerning the topic involved. This would have been better coming from a personal e-mail service, in which case, Mr. erson would still be employed and you and I would be chatting about the superbowl.
No, I mean that you and I may have our opinions, but Zachry apparently felt that the email was, at least in some form, offensive.
I'm not defending the government, nor the council-woman, all I'm saying is that this was a set of complex cir stances in which, for better or worse, everyone involved may have thought they were doing the right thing (except the person who leaked this to the press). No one could have predicted the way Mr. erson would have reacted to being terminated.I'm actually kind of shocked that you of all people are absolving a member of the government and allowing them to enforce private business policies.
Well, I think you could predict that if a councilwoman complained about an employee as she did that he would be in deep . The man did nothing to warrant her reaction.
did he email his suicide note?
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