Bexar steps up to plate with stadium plan

[jcrod]

Yeah. that's it. I guess Hardberger isn't as much of a fan for NFL as Wolff is for Baseball.

What are you? 5?



And Dallas, Phoenix, Charlotte weren't hockey cities.

Give me a break.



Yeah,that's a great way to guage a city in whether or not they can support a MLB team.

"How much does your city get off to for teams of the same sport in other cities?"

What the kind of re ed methodology is that?

There you go with the name calling, who's 5 now?

Yes I think you can guage a citys interest in the sport by how they follow it. If you like/love baseball you would follow a team. You're telling me you wouldn't??????

[Buddy Holly]

There you go with the name calling, who's 5 now?

Name calling?

What name did I call you?

Yes I think you can guage a citys interest in the sport by how they follow it.

What?

How do you gauge almost 2 million people? Not every one is a Rangers or Astro's fan.

Boy are you limiting yourself if you take that route.

If you like/love baseball you would follow a team. You're telling me you wouldn't??????

Yeah.

I'm a huge football fan. Yet, I have no "team."

My dad loves football. His team... The Packers. He has three different Favre jersey's.

I'm guessing had you been in charge of gauging whether the city was ready for football, my father and I wouldn't have been included. Seeing how I have no team and my fathers team is the Packers.

You would of been asking who the Cowboy and Texan fans were.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That's what you thought?

Give me a break. Quote me on where I said they were DEF. staying until next season. Probably in the initial stage of things but once Tags feelings became known, I pretty much knew there was a slim chance of them staying.

But I'm glad to see you have no rational or on the subject response.

Not surprised.

Gimme a break Captain Highway. I'm not going to go back and search the archives for your bull . You were running around the site for two months with your gold and block pom poms declaring that the deal was done to keep the Saints in San Antonio.

Don't go fetal because you got called out on your South Texas Sports Mecca pipe dream again.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm the guy who doesn't jack off to the San Antonio Business Journal.

And when he gets through with that Buddy pulls out the Highway Monthly and folds out his Southside Centerfold.

[Buddy Holly]

Gimme a break Captain Highway. I'm not going to go back and search the archives for your bull . You were running around the site for two months with your gold and block pom poms declaring that the deal was done to keep the Saints in San Antonio.

Don't go fetal because you got called out on your South Texas Sports Mecca pipe dream again.

Great quotes by me.

Dude, how many threads where there in total dealing with the Saints?

Three? Four tops?

You can keyword search your way to quotes where I said the Saints in SA was a done deal was finalized was gonna happen, a sure thing.

God damn are you ing butt pirate.

[Melmart1]

God damn are you ing butt pirate.

Again with the gay thing. I guess I just don't get why people who don't agree with you are gay. Like that's the worst thing you can call them.

As for MLB, I would love a local team. That being said, I think it will put a severe, possibly fatal crimp in any NFL plans in the future. For one of two reasons:

1. The city may be able to support 2 pro teams, but not 3. So I don't see the NFL coming to town if there is MLB and NBA both here.

2. The city fails miserably at MLB, thus proving that this is a one-horse town and nobody will ever take us seriously again when courting a pro team.

But since I just don't see the NFL coming here (at least not in the foreseable future), I say we go for the Marlins. However, I realize I am in the minority as a baseball fan in these parts, so it is hard for me to gauge the level of interest amongst others.

[CharlieMac]

I can't believe people still think Googling will make then an expert on a topic.

[j-6]

(1) If SA is such a fertile MLB market, why is it currently a AA town (competing against places like Tulsa, Wichita, Corpus, and Midland) instead of a AAA city (with more talented players and cities like New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville, Portland, and Vegas)? I'm not terribly interested in an excuse revolving around their long-standing history and relationship with the Texas League after reading this.

(2) What draws better: the Missions or the Rampage?

According to the Sports Network, the Rampage have averaged 4,261 fans a game this season, below the league average of 5,329.

The Missions averaged 3,874, 800 fans a night below the league average of 4,676, despite drawing from a market of nearly 1.9 million people according to our resident population analyst.

High school football draws better. What I don't get is how Bexar County all of a sudden became this baseball haven when it can't fill 3/4ths of its minor league park consistently, and the AHL team get more attendees than the Missions.

I've gone on record here saying that I didn't think SA was a very good fit for an NFL team, but that at least is feasible. This is trying to put a square peg in a round hole. There is no existing facility to be used temporarily. Not only would a retractable roof stadium pretty much be mandatory, it's going to cost more than the $300M Wolff wants to spend. And once all of that falls into place, a metro area basically the size of Milwaukee - with no history of supporting baseball - has to put 25K in the stands 81 times a year. SA can't fill an indoor arena - capacity roughly 18K - that's home to the beloved three-time league champions to sellout level all 41 times they play at home during the regular season.

The Spurs come damn close, but they don't play 3 and a half hour long games outside in the summer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

God damn are you ing butt pirate.

Didn't you tell someone earlier in this thread to quit acting like they're five? Look in the mirror asswipe.

As for your quotes on the Saints, like I said, why waste my time? Everyone on this forum read your drivel back in the fall quoting population growth and all this other random trying to puff your hopes up about the 'logic' of the Saints coming to SA, saying Benson will bring the team here, there's no way the league doesn't let it happen with the support we showed, yada yada yada.

It must suck to try and spin as much as you end up having to do on all this, and in the end Wolff is a ing idiot if he thinks pro baseball will be successful in SA. Further, if they go down that path, you can kiss any hope of an NFL team coming to San Antonio in the next 50 years out the door.

SA's only real hope to bring a second pro sports franchise to SA and have it stick is the NFL, and the idiot politicians who like to everything up down there would be smart to recognize that and stay on that path.

[Peter]

Whatever happened to HollyHills? I thought they had financing for the football/baseball/cricket/field hockey stadium multi-plex lined up?

[Peter]

(1) If SA is such a fertile MLB market, why is it currently a AA town (competing against places like Tulsa, Wichita, Corpus, and Midland) instead of a AAA city (with more talented players and cities like New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville, Portland, and Vegas)? I'm not terribly interested in an excuse revolving around their long-standing history and relationship with the Texas League after reading this.

(2) What draws better: the Missions or the Rampage?

According to the Sports Network, the Rampage have averaged 4,261 fans a game this season, below the league average of 5,329.

The Missions averaged 3,874, 800 fans a night below the league average of 4,676, despite drawing from a market of nearly 1.9 million people according to our resident population analyst.

High school football draws better. What I don't get is how Bexar County all of a sudden became this baseball haven when it can't fill 3/4ths of its minor league park consistently, and the AHL team get more attendees than the Missions.

I've gone on record here saying that I didn't think SA was a very good fit for an NFL team, but that at least is feasible. This is trying to put a square peg in a round hole. There is no existing facility to be used temporarily. Not only would a retractable roof stadium pretty much be mandatory, it's going to cost more than the $300M Wolff wants to spend. And once all of that falls into place, a metro area basically the size of Milwaukee - with no history of supporting baseball - has to put 25K in the stands 81 times a year. SA can't fill an indoor arena - capacity roughly 18K - that's home to the beloved three-time league champions to sellout level all 41 times they play at home during the regular season.

The Spurs come damn close, but they don't play 3 and a half hour long games outside in the summer.

Exactly. How does this community have the ability to turn out 20K+ to watch a Tuesday afternoon game?

The NFL is a much, much better fit in SA and even then there are plenty of factors working against it. There's no way the city could turn out decent attendance for 81 home games.

[Buddy Holly]

No surprise, the same ass clowns back to reguritate their own stupid .

It's like they're stuck in "play nonstop" mode.

[Buddy Holly]

(1) If SA is such a fertile MLB market, why is it currently a AA town (competing against places like Tulsa, Wichita, Corpus, and Midland) instead of a AAA city (with more talented players and cities like New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville, Portland, and Vegas)? I'm not terribly interested in an excuse revolving around their long-standing history and relationship with the Texas League after reading this.

(2) What draws better: the Missions or the Rampage?

According to the Sports Network, the Rampage have averaged 4,261 fans a game this season, below the league average of 5,329.

The Missions averaged 3,874, 800 fans a night below the league average of 4,676, despite drawing from a market of nearly 1.9 million people according to our resident population analyst.

High school football draws better. What I don't get is how Bexar County all of a sudden became this baseball haven when it can't fill 3/4ths of its minor league park consistently, and the AHL team get more attendees than the Missions.

I've gone on record here saying that I didn't think SA was a very good fit for an NFL team, but that at least is feasible. This is trying to put a square peg in a round hole. There is no existing facility to be used temporarily. Not only would a retractable roof stadium pretty much be mandatory, it's going to cost more than the $300M Wolff wants to spend. And once all of that falls into place, a metro area basically the size of Milwaukee - with no history of supporting baseball - has to put 25K in the stands 81 times a year. SA can't fill an indoor arena - capacity roughly 18K - that's home to the beloved three-time league champions to sellout level all 41 times they play at home during the regular season.

The Spurs come damn close, but they don't play 3 and a half hour long games outside in the summer.

Glad you have your "rational" opinion.

Hopefully when you and the Marlins are making the decision... oh wait.

[atlfan25]

I just keep wondering why everyone one keeps talking about afternoon home games during the week. The mlb hardly ever schedules afternoon games during the week, they only do that for the cubs. The days games are always on like a Sunday.

It isn't that hot at night in SA to keep people away from games, is it?

[Peter]

No surprise, the same ass clowns back to reguritate their own stupid .

It's like they're stuck in "play nonstop" mode.

....like "HollyHills is ready to commence construction"? When was that, 3 months ago?

[Melmart1]

Atlfan is right, the only time there are day games during the week is if it is a travel day and the team has to play elsewhere the very next day. That only happens once, twice a month, though. The rest are all at night.

That being said, San Antonio needs to choose carefully whether they want MLB or NFL. Because they can't have both. I still have my doubts about San Antonio being a baseball town, but they definitely will never be a 3-team town. Just can't see it happening.

[jcrod]

(1) If SA is such a fertile MLB market, why is it currently a AA town (competing against places like Tulsa, Wichita, Corpus, and Midland) instead of a AAA city (with more talented players and cities like New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville, Portland, and Vegas)? I'm not terribly interested in an excuse revolving around their long-standing history and relationship with the Texas League after reading this.

(2) What draws better: the Missions or the Rampage?

According to the Sports Network, the Rampage have averaged 4,261 fans a game this season, below the league average of 5,329.

The Missions averaged 3,874, 800 fans a night below the league average of 4,676, despite drawing from a market of nearly 1.9 million people according to our resident population analyst.

High school football draws better. What I don't get is how Bexar County all of a sudden became this baseball haven when it can't fill 3/4ths of its minor league park consistently, and the AHL team get more attendees than the Missions.

I've gone on record here saying that I didn't think SA was a very good fit for an NFL team, but that at least is feasible. This is trying to put a square peg in a round hole. There is no existing facility to be used temporarily. Not only would a retractable roof stadium pretty much be mandatory, it's going to cost more than the $300M Wolff wants to spend. And once all of that falls into place, a metro area basically the size of Milwaukee - with no history of supporting baseball - has to put 25K in the stands 81 times a year. SA can't fill an indoor arena - capacity roughly 18K - that's home to the beloved three-time league champions to sellout level all 41 times they play at home during the regular season.

The Spurs come damn close, but they don't play 3 and a half hour long games outside in the summer.

This is exactly what I was saying on my post. Doesn't take rocket science.

[Buddy Holly]

....like "HollyHills is ready to commence construction"? When was that, 3 months ago?

You quoted me on that?

Please, I wouldn't be foolish enough to say that.

[Buddy Holly]

This is exactly what I was saying on my post. Doesn't take rocket science.

Yeah, it doesn't take a rocket science to post the attendance for two minor league teams.

Brillance wraped in genusis I say.

Give me a break, it's the same re ed methodolgy you used.

I guess not so great minds also think alike.

[Peter]

You quoted me on that?

Please, I wouldn't be foolish enough to say that.

...and yet you did.

[Buddy Holly]

...and yet you did.

Quote me than. It shouldn't be that hard to.

In the days after HollyHills made mention of thier plans they said the soonest they'd start construction would be two years.

[SA210]

San Antonio will be alot better and different in 2009 and 2010. Haters need to stop hating and just move out if they think so lowly of us and we're not worthy. I know Peter doesn't like San Antonio de Bexar , he really shows it.

Our city is changing dramatically. 2009 is 3 years away, after Toyota and other such companies would already be established. We're on the way up. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Buddy Holly]

Exactly, it won't be until 2010 when the Marlins could play here.

By then San Antonio will have a population of about 2.3 million, maybe more.

Economic growth will continue at a buzzing speed.

San Antonio has changed a lot since 2002, by 2010 this place will have changed even more.

[Peter]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=444

Seems so. Tuesday will be the announcement.

Hopefully get some renderings.

You were certain an announcement on the start date would be made and none occurred.

[Peter]

Exactly, it won't be until 2010 when the Marlins could play here.

By then San Antonio will have a population of about 2.3 million, maybe more.

Why stop at 2.3 mil? SA metro will have a population of 10 million because every American will realize the greatness that is San Antonio.

Economic growth will continue at a buzzing speed.

San Antonio has changed a lot since 2002, by 2010 this place will have changed even more.

Absolutely. No harm in extrapolating one year's change over 8.