Are you kidding me? MLB has a feudal system. It is by far the most have vs. have-not structure in U.S. sports.
Even if SA could support a team on a honeymoon basis for oh, 3-4 years (and I'm not saying it can), how long would they support a team that, under the current strucutre, will never have a chance of being successful on the field?
MB, I lived in Denver the first 3 years the Rockies played. They played in Mile High Stadium before it was torn down.
They averaged about 25K during the week and 60K+ on Frid, Sat, Sun. They had very creative ticket marketing, even sections with $1 tickets with cheap beer and hot dog prices..... They were killing it. And that was in a football stadium.
I'll let you in on a little secret. There are too many MLB teams. They've already tried to "contract" once. Just because they are looking to move a team doesn't mean there is an appropriate market to move one to. They are looking for a stadium. They will move a team anywhere where the populace is foolish enough to vote for one and then watch a team struggle for 10 years.
A fiscally conservative owner in basketball can compete for a championship. A fiscally conservative owner in baseball can struggle to be a wildcard team, at best.
Yeah, that's Denver.
[QUOTE=Peter]Yeah, it doesn't mean drawing 47K a night. It means being able to pull 17K.[quote]
Oh but San Antonio doesn't have the extra 17,000. They just have 18,797 people who can afford pro sports tickets.
Explain to me how San Antonio's corporate base isn't there?If the market isn't there, both in terms of population as well as in regards to the corporate base, it isn't going to work.
It > Portland, Las Vegas, and Norfolk.
There shopping for a stadium, that's not secret. That's what pro sports teams do when they can't get one from the city they currently call home. Nothing new Marcus.Those teams are shopping for a community stupid enough to give them a gravy train.
What teams in other pro leagues are currently in Vegas and Norfolk?
What is success? Who says they can't win? Didn't the Florida Marlins win 2 championships? They sure didn't have the 100+ mill payroll NY had.
The revenue is there bro. Don't let the owners fool you.
Why are they moving out of Miami?
You're right. They have the 17k with enough money to spend on tickets.
You're right. I'm sorry.
STADIUM PROBLEMS.
The same reason the Sonics said they'd look at leaving, the same reasons the Maloofs want to move to Vegas, the same reasons the Spurs said they'd leave, the same reason the Rams and Raiders left, the same reason... oh you get it.
That's modern american sports.
Nah, they don't have an existing franchise to deal with. There's the allure of having their 1st pro teams.
So they need a new stadium and are using SA.
An allure?
Who gives a .
What about an allure of a second professional team?
That's a pretty nice allure.
You know what, I like that word, allure.
They are going to change the playoff format in the next few years anyway. Its going to become more NBA oriented, etc....
Leaving the Dodgers, Mets, Reds, Yankees, etc.. out of the playoffs is going to kill their revenue. They are taking note that there are to many teams.
Losing teams always have ty attendance, but ESPN, FOX and the major networks are always going to donate their money to professional sports....
Every time you pay that Time Warner/DirectTV bill.... you are donating to the capitated money allotted to each Sport. They thank you for your donation every day.
Have you been to South Florida? They don't give away real estate like they do in San Antonio.
Using?
How so? It's not like Miami said no to any new stadiums. the Marlins have tried talking to TWO cities within the Miami MSA Homestead and Hialeah. Nothing can be worked out.
It's not a matter of threat but a matter of the simple fact that they can't work out an agreement.
San Antonio isn't some pawn in a game.
Well lets say they decide to come here.......
Retractable Stadium?
Dome?
Open Field?
All I know is that from May-Nov, its in hot here. I am all for a little retractable sheyitt.
Well, it's allure plus not having and existing franchise in a small market.
That's part of the point.
Sure SA is a pawn. If not to get Miami to cough up a better deal then for some other market to do so.
When are the Saints coming back?
Man, that phrase, small market, sure gets thrown around a lot.
San Antonio is a mid-size market, not small. Baton Rouge is small. McAllen is small. Tulsa is small.
Yep, more expense.
Small by pro league standards.
Sequ,
I agree that the average joe will attend MLB games more often than Spurs games, and that on a per game basis, MLB games will be more affordable than Spurs games for the average fan. And that's a good thing. However, what makes a team money isn't the average fan seating. It is luxury boxes and club seats. When teams talk about needing a new facility to "maximize potential revenue streams" they're mainly talking about lux boxes and club seating - things that the average fan can't afford to buy a season at a time.
It is this type of corporate revenue that would put the Spurs in direct compe ion with a MLB team - and that is why it would make sense for the Spurs to own the MLB team - so that instead of competeing for corporate revenue, they could have s marketing strategy to share it.
For Spurs ownership, buying and owning the MLB franchise is the only way to ensure that they have a consistent level of corporate support year in and year out. If the County is actually serious about moving forward with this, you can bet the Spurs will get serious about it too - and since Florida's ownership group is not interested in selling, if I remember correctly, that means you might see two competing relocation efforts - one by the Marlins to come here and one by the Spurs ownersip group to bring in a team they can own and control revenue from. THAT would be interesting.
Also, the allure of having a 2nd pro team is much less in SA than having a 1st pro team in another market, especially when that 2nd team would be in the MLB.
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