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That's probably because Udrih wasn't even able to bring the ball up the court. The shooting guard had to.
Beno played well in the first half. No doubt about that.
I don't deny that Beno was playing hard and the Spurs weren't rotating well, but the fact remains that the Spurs got lit up for 17-2 run on his watch. Sam Cassell had a hand in all 17 points. Ball don't lie.In the 3rd quarter when Sam got going, he isolated on TP and rose up for an short jumper to get his 2nd FG. When Beno came back in, Sam went to post up Beno on two straight trips. Beno played good positional D on Sam but the Spurs did not double and Sam was able to turn away from Beno and score. The Spurs doubled exactly one time the entire time Beno was defending Sam (with Tim) and so Sam hit Radmanovic for a 3 with Horry dropping down. Sam also scored on a baseline handoff and Beno actually was all over Sam but he was able to flip the ball up and convert on a flip-up blind, backwards attempt.
In the 4th quarter, Sam did knock down a mid-post turn and fade shot over Beno who was up on Sam and once again, there was no double team.
And it's not like Beno is the first Spurs point guard or the last Spurs point guard to be abused by Sam. I don't even fault him. If you haven't spent a lot of time guarding him, he's going to torture you.
With Beno guarding the guy who single-handedly went on a 17-2 run.The Spurs scorers did nothing to retaliate nor rebound so the Clips made their run that made the difference.
No question.You gotta recognize that the Clippers just outexecuted the Spurs.
Agreed.The original thread topic still stands. Beno has improved his ballhandling this year.
That's probably because Udrih wasn't even able to bring the ball up the court. The shooting guard had to.
Spurs on pace for the most wins in franchise history and debating Spurs Basketball with Solid D.
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And why Spurs scored only 2 points during that time? Is this Benos´ fault again?With Beno guarding the guy who single-handedly went on a 17-2 run.
i blame rasho for this, in beno we trust
i blame beno for this. in rasho we trust
What I saw was what Solid saw. Fact is Parker, while he's a great player, gets picked off on screens and trails badly on a consistent basis. Udrih mans up, sets up on screens, fights through screens and drops down to double and defend better than Parker. I will now commit heresy. Udrih is a better defender than Parker.
In terms of bringing the ball up Beno's not the best, likely below average if it's just dribbling up. But he moves the ball well, and given one or two decent ballhandlers to go with him he's not having a problem. On the otherhand Nick tries to dribble it up,wastes time, gets trapped and makes life difficult.
In the half court Beno moves the ball while Nick screws around until the Spurs are scrambling for a decent shot as the shot clock's expiring. Just say no to Nick.
i dont trust havin the ball in nve hands, cose u know once he dribbles up to the 3pt line his goin to release one, beno is a better ball handler then parker, only difference is beno likes to cruise up the court unlike parker who rushes down the court, thats why u dont see him havin trouble bringin the ball up.
Beno is not a better ballhandler than Parker.
i wouldn't argue with dude, he thinks beno is the second coming and that we should trade parker...
TDMVPDPOY - Please...let's not get carried away. Parker is a one-man press break and is a somewhat unique player in the NBA in that regard.
T Park and timvp, passing is still a fine basketball option to a press break or press attack. After all these years, it is still the fastest way to get from A to B, so there is no shame in that.
This thread was started at the end of the 1st half of the Clipper game following Beno's use of a nice cross-over dribble penetration splitting the sagging D, followed by another sweet dribble and 360 spin move down the lane and finish with his off hand.
He's gotten better at dribble penetration and a little stronger with the ball, than his rookie season (2004-05). That's all.
This is not an I Love Beno thread and for that matter, if I were a Spur I'd rather Beno have his hand on the ball than on my back in the Spurs huddles.
Beno has gotten much better at penetrating into the keyway, and also at finishing said pentrations. Very impressed with him at times.
His dribbling against good defensive guards full court obviously needs work, but no one is perfect. I think he needs to stay lower and lose some of the junky dribbles moves. They work fine when the defense is running at you, or sagging off, but he isn't good enough with them when he has tight defense on him to justify using them so often.
Another thing though. I wish he would protect the ball better after he has gotten past the initial perimeter defender and rises for the shot. I've seen the ball get stripped off his knee or just out of his hands plenty of times this season.
Overall I have been pretty happy with him, and the Spurs have got themsevles a decent backup PG for a long time if they keep him.
PS - Overall, his ballhandling has most certainly improved. Solid, as usual, was spot on.
That's a fair assessment, MI21 I agree.
I reckon pop should make bruce or gino gaurd him in practices instead of......
Beno has short arms for his size. Makes it hard for him to dribble keeping the ball away from long armed, aggressive, savy defenders.
Pretty bold statement. I don't even think it's a fair statement at this point because Beno has played so few minutes this season. Beno is a pretty good defender but can sometimes be beaten off the dribble in one-on-one situations and isn't always the fasting rotating defender. I think he's average although he has really tried hard this season. But as always, the backup QB is always the most popular person in town.
It's hard for me to win that argument when Beno plays like once ever third game ... and even then, it's again the other teams third stringer most of the time. Makes him look good because he can use all his energy to man up defensively and wow the crowd with slick new dribble moves. (Even if the guy he's guarding goes on a 17-2 run, it's not his fault of course.)
The day that Pop starts inserting Beno for defensive purposes is a day far, far away.
He's going to have to figure it out. You can't have a point guard who can't dribble the ball up versus a full court press.
Early in Steve Nash's career, he had the same problem. What he had to do was drop about 20 pounds and work constantly on agility and speed drills. It'd be nice if Beno dropped about 15-20 pounds and put in the same work.
beno> dog......parker>cat
I actually don't think Beno gets beat off the dribble too often. He sets up very well, plays Pop's baseline channeling defense consistently, has good anticipation and moves his feet pretty well. He's stronger than Parke so he doesn't have as much of a problem getting bumped aside when players drive to the basket and as I said Parker is trailing his man around picks. When Bowen, Rasho, TD, Manu, and Parker are on the floor Parker's the weak link defensively. Granted Beno hasn't played a lot of minutes but I haven't seen defensive liabilities as a reason for not playing him more.
Well tonight Andre Barrett blew by Beno three or four times. If NVE is out for a significant amount of time, I guess we'll get to see Beno AKA Michael Cooper Jr. get a little more run. Hopefully he turns into the defensive monster that some are claiming
^^^ Exactly.
Andre Barrett, who couldn't make it through a week with the Spurs.
Blew by him many times, and he also was open for quite a few jumpers as well.
Im sure thats not Beno's fault there either.
Hopefully the Spurs have a lot of leads so he can get some work. If he is what some here say he is then let's find out and get something of value for him in the off season.
get off the forum man and dont come back
you dont care about the spurs
i dont know if u really are that stupid or are you just writing idiotic things so u have something to do
you would waive your BEST backup point guard who is paid almost nothing by NBA standards and is really talented and a good shooter!!!
waive him
he will get a new contract in 5 minutes and he will be able to choose from several teams
Last edited by Kamnik; 03-10-2006 at 04:14 AM.
All I know is that Beno's shot off the dribble is money this year. Its disgusting how quick he can pull up and drain that shot. I think his ball handling has gotten better, but to be honest I see nothing above average in the least with regards to his defense.
Parker has good defensive skills, but he's having to expend a of a lot of energy on the offensive end. I think when the playoffs come, you will probably see Tony man up on D when it comes down to it.
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