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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    I always thought that it was an interesting issue. If there are other beings in the universe, are they capable of "being saved?" They couldn't know Christ, since they are on other planets, so what does that mean for them? Also, why did everything in the Bible occur here on Earth? God created billions of planets, so was this his favorite? It must have been if he sent his only son to this planet.

    Obviously, I intended these as rhetorical questions (I don't know that a response that is not highly speculative is possible).

    Why must you scorn me?

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    We are the only creation on earth with body, soul, and spirit. Thus only we can be saved or condemned. All other biological organisms only have body and soul.
    Well, I guess that's what my question goes to -- does this statement necessarily hold true for all life in the universe? Granted, we don't know if there is other life in the universe, but supposing some does exist, is it possible for them to have spirits as well? I think by arguing that the only beings in the entire universe with the possibility of salvation are humans, then Christianity becomes too geocentric. Why would God create the universe only to focus his "love" on one planet?

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    Why must you scorn me?
    I'm sorry, I thought I was being clever. I thought I "had" you.

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    I'm sorry, I thought I was being clever. I thought I "had" you.

    You had me at "Log On."

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    You had me at "Log On."
    Oh Gee!!, you sonova . I wish I knew how to quit you.

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    <<<sign languages in an elevator

    "You complete me."

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    it's getting a little sensual in here.

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    Well, I guess that's what my question goes to -- does this statement necessarily hold true for all life in the universe? Granted, we don't know if there is other life in the universe, but supposing some does exist, is it possible for them to have spirits as well? I think by arguing that the only beings in the entire universe with the possibility of salvation are humans, then Christianity becomes too geocentric. Why would God create the universe only to focus his "love" on one planet?
    I have an answer for these questions as well, but like you said it gets very speculative.

    I've always thought that the vastness of the universe serves to demonstrate the immense authority and power of the Creator.... not to mention his creativity.

    That he would care enough about each and every one of us, to know our every thought, desire, dream, idiosyncrasy and even the number of hair strands on our head.... when we are literally nothing, both in size and relevance, in the vast context of the space time continuum.... serves to demonstrate GOD's immense love for us.

    I believe that concept alone is awe-inspiring and amazing. The concept that Christianity is 'geocentric' therefore is null in light of the fact that GOD's love is 'people-centric'... According to the Bible we, humans, were the jewel of GOD's creation and that just goes to show how special we are in the universe... no matter how large or infinite the universe may be.

    If ever, the existence of 'aliens' were verified... it really changes nothing.... but that would require another explanation and I have to 'go'... lest I bust my bladder.

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    Every time I think about the evolution of an eye, or the symbyotic relationships of organisms like Zooanthelae and Coral... I think... there has to be some outside touch in all of this... How could trial and error in code have created that relationship or that tool...

    Then you sit back and really think about it... and you see that it is really possible...

    There is no proof either way... But I tend to lead towards the random approach.

    Because I'm human I am programmed to find an answer.

    Because I'm intelligent, I can admit I don't have one.

    There is a big difference.

    Some humans are willing to stop at the 20,000 year old earth etc as their answer. It's a good explanation. It answers lots of questions that the layman would think to ask. It's a multi millenium old explanation. You can see why they are having a hard time giving up on it. It's not their fault that it is wrong, and NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRY we CANNOT DISPROVE IT.

    Why? Because they have faith. They believe in something and someone that is looking over them sight unseen. They believe in his word. They will always find some loophole (no matter how unfounded in science it is) and yell it at the top of their lungs to be published in a Christian publication.

    They HAVE to do this. You prove the bible wrong about ONE thing and it makes the faithful question others.

    Why do you think it took 500 years to admit Galileo was right?

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    Why would God create the universe only to focus his "love" on one planet?
    Perhaps for the same reasons He would create an Earth that is millions of years old only to focus on the thousands of years of human history.

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    Well, seeing as there are numerous planets in every solar system, and billions of solar systems in every galaxy, and billions upon BILLIONS of galaxies in the known universe...

    If we are truly alone, I think the Big Eye in the Sky has seriously abandoned us.

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    Well, seeing as there are numerous planets in every solar system, and billions of solar systems in every galaxy, and billions upon BILLIONS of galaxies in the known universe...

    If we are truly alone, I think the Big Eye in the Sky has seriously abandoned us.

    It's a matter of perspective....

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    what perspedtive allows you to think that it would be odd if we were the only life out there on Trillions upon Trillions of planets?

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    He said....

    Well, seeing as there are numerous planets in every solar system, and billions of solar systems in every galaxy, and billions upon BILLIONS of galaxies in the known universe...

    If we are truly alone, I think the Big Eye in the Sky has seriously abandoned us.

    what perspedtive allows you to think that it would be odd if we were the only life out there on Trillions upon Trillions of planets?
    I was addressing his conclusion... that 'the Big Eye in the Sky has seriously abandoned us.'

    I don't feel abandoned by GOD...

    The perspective part enters because it is GOD who feels we have abandoned
    Him... not the other way around.

    "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
    2 Chronicles 7:14

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    And that is your perogative... as long as you don't resort to childish insults.
    Thank God I am polite.

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    I don't feel abandoned by GOD...

    The perspective part enters because it is GOD who feels we have abandoned
    Him... not the other way around.

    "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
    2 Chronicles 7:14
    Word of the Day, thanks.

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    You cant argue with someone over evolution who when you present evidence, they quote scripture.

    Just doesn't work.

    You might as well be speaking a different language.

    In all practicality, you are.

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    You cant argue with someone over evolution who when you present evidence, they quote scripture.

    Just doesn't work.

    You might as well be speaking a different language.

    In all practicality, you are.

    Well, in all fairness when I speak in terms of math and probability... no one wants to hear the numbers...

    And if I speak in terms of science... people call it pseudo-science simply because I use it to reflect GOD's truth...

    Science is not the exclusive language of anti-theistic beliefs.

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