I'm not. Do you give up Dice's hot hand, or Ben's rebounding to bring him back?
LMAO. Has Piston Nation truly turned against Flip this early, or is this just the emotional response of you guys to the current situation?
If Detroit loses this series, then yeah, I expect you guys to have his head on a stick. Still, it wouldn't shock anyone to see the Pistons win it in 7. But if they do it won't be because of Flip.
Or Ben's poor FT shooting? With CB fouling out, the smart play would have been for them to bring in Rasheed for Ben. Having Lindsey and Ben on the floor at the same time really limited the Pistons' on that last possession...
What good is it to save 'Sheed's 6th foul when you lose?
And Ben's free throw shooting? I didn't see the whole game, so I don't know how hot Dice was, but you still always put in your money players when the games are that tight.
I saw enough tonight to see how limited his brain is. And where is the genius offensive mind of his?
Maybe if he didn't have his head stuck up his ass...
I've been on Flip's case since mid-way through the season. You could slowly see the players slipping away. He is an offensive coach whose offensive system (SHOOT IT!) doesn't work in the playoffs, and he ignores defense entirely. He has no clue what the word "adjustments" means, and his rotations are shoddy.
The Pistons won a ton of regular season games because the offense is different from almost every other team. So it's tough to adjust to in the flow of the regular season. In the playoffs it's not. They look for jumpers rather than layups. It took a rookie coach less than 2 games to have it figured out perfectly.
WTF wrong topic.
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I hate to say this, but this is exactly what a bunch of us were saying about Flip at the beginning of the year. The Pistons players would do well because they wanted to show they didn't need Larry. But now they need coaching, and Flip's not up to the job.
Riiiiight. Sure you do.
Since I see this as a long-term problem that pre-dates Flip Saunders, he gets a pass from me. I'm sure some could say he was brought in here to fix the problems from last season, but I have always regarded him as a man piloting a plane on autopilot, which was fine for this team.
If he wasn't responsible for the success, why would I blame him for the failure?
i think so also.
we will see how strong the Pistons are now. They still are a better team, they just must to pickup their $h!t together and win on a road.
Btw. what is Flip doing so wrong?
ps. I admire your patiance (det fans) to talk with (some) spurs fans.
Dang, even our Toledo (Ohio) newspaper columnist is gettin' on Flip!
Cavaliers' Brown is getting the better of Pistons' Saunders
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. - Flip flopped.
Mike Brown's Cleveland Cavaliers have been outperforming Flip Saunders' Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference semifinals.
Cleveland held off Detroit 86-84 last night at the Palace to claim a stunning 3-2 series lead with Game 6 tomorrow night in Cleveland. The Cavaliers weren't supposed to win this series; some skeptics doubted if they would win a game against the NBA's best team during the regular season.
Now that the Nike's on the other foot, Cleveland needs just one more win to pull off one of the biggest upsets in recent playoff history.
The playoffs are all about star players leading the way. Cleveland's LeBron James scored a game-high 32 points, grabbed five rebounds and dished out five assists.
The playoffs are also about the coaching - always have been, always will.
So what this does is put more emphasis on the quality of coaching. And more pressure on the coaches.
Especially in these playoffs. And especially in the fascinating Cleveland-Detroit series, where Brown is clearly coaching the pants off of Saunders in the battle of coaches in the first years with their teams.
Brown took over a tough job. Coaching LeBron isn't easy - the expectations are enormous. Just ask Paul Silas.
By comparison, Saunders stepped into a perfect situation, replacing Larry Brown and taking over a team that appeared in two straight NBA finals.
Keeping Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince happily motivated and productive doesn't compare to building team chemistry around James with Flip Murray, Eric Snow, Donyell Marshall, Drew Gooden, Anderson
Varejao, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Damon Jones.
Getting the Pistons to stick with a proven system doesn't compare to getting James to trust his less-talented teammates.
Mike Brown has been one step ahead of Saunders all series. Playing the last three games without shooting guard Larry Hughes, who left the team following a death in the family, Brown developed a two-man game with James passing inside to Varejao.
Brown played smallball in Games 3 and 4 in Cleveland, as Varejao, Snow and Marshall played prominent roles. When the series returned to the Palace last night, Brown called on Ilgauskas, the tallest player on the floor, and he responded with a series-best 14 points, 10 rebounds and six blocks.
"Every game for us is a growing and learning experience," said Brown, whose Cavs were routed 113-86 in Game 1 but rallied to win three straight after losing the first two games. "Our guys fought, stayed composed and found a way to win."
Under Saunders, whose Minnesota Timberwolves teams had a history of underachieving in the playoffs, Detroit has now lost three straight playoff games for the first time since the 2004 Eastern Conference semifinals against New Jersey. Trailing 3-2, the Pistons rallied to defeat the Nets in seven games.
Saunders is presiding over a unique situation in Detroit, where the Pistons won a le when he was coaching another team. Saunders isn't responding well to the pressure.
"They're human beings. In different situations, you can play a little bit tighter at times," he said.
In each of the last two games, Rasheed Wallace has been on the bench when Detroit needed a bucket late. Last night Ben Wallace, who's shooting 32 percent from the free throw line in the playoffs, was still on the floor in the final minute and missed two free throws with the score tied 84-84. Saunders also didn't play reserve guard Tony Delk despite needing more perimeter scoring.
Cleveland is beating Detroit on the court, and Mike Brown is besting Saunders on the sideline.
-John Williams- Toledo Blade
Answer me this question.
Why did Flip not tell Billups and Hamilton to give the ball to McDyess? He was the only one who could hit a shot.
Rasheed was out there on the last possesion, he was the one just to the right of the top of the key, with Gooden on him, and Lindsey Hunter was the one at the left elbow wide open, and the ball gets thrown into a double teamed Rip in the corner. I'd take a wide open three from Hunter anyday over Rip double teamed in the corner.
Mike Brown (WHO, WHO?) MIKE BROWWWWWWWWN
Ex-Spur coaches are regulating the playoffs.
Greg Anthony just ripped Flip a freakin new asshole on NBA shootaround
I mean, is this REALLY that surprising?
HONESTLY!!!
What did he say?
Hmmm.
And Larry Brown thinks he's going to be fired.
Hmmm.
Who's the Negrodamaus on this topic?
Say my name, say my name!
lol, flip is gone for sure at the end of the season..sure the pistons have scored more and won more games then any other pistons coach but the starting 5 have also played way better billups played his best season of his career..flip teaches good offence but in the end he failed as a coach..cassell could coach better then flip
Yes, keeping crossing your fingers and hoping that it was Flip's fault not the PLAYERS. Keep looking the other way as the team has been in ruins since he left. Working on back-to-back trips to the draft lottery. But you're right, it was Flip.
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