Is the Smith/Barry trade still alive?

[ChumpDumper]

Why the rest of there players?

Don't they just have to clear up about $50,000? That's what I was under the impression of.

Before the trade could occur, the salary cap will be reset and teams will be using the new salary amounts when putting together trades. The Hornets' cap number will include the unrenounced value of several free agents, so many that it could force the Hornets to decide whether to keep the remaining cap space--which would allow them to go ahead with the Barry trade in its original form--or instead take the cap exceptions available to them which would allow them to sign one new player to a midlevel deal before resolving their other contract issues. The original Barry deal doesn't work if both teams are over the cap; the Hornets would have to throw in another player like Brandon Bass or find another way to even out the deal.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Before the trade could occur, the salary cap will be reset and teams will be using the new salary amounts when putting together trades. The Hornets' cap number will include the unrenounced value of several free agents, so many that it could force the Hornets to decide whether to keep the remaining cap space--which would allow them to go ahead with the Barry trade in its original form--or instead take the cap exceptions available to them which would allow them to sign one new player to a midlevel deal before resolving their other contract issues. The original Barry deal doesn't work if both teams are over the cap; the Hornets would have to throw in another player like Brandon Bass or find another way to even out the deal.

So the cap rules are changing this offseason? Interesting.

I wouldn't mind taking on an extra player like Brass (whoever that is) to make the deal work.

[ChumpDumper]

The rules aren't changing -- the cap number and players' salaries are changing. We'll have a better idea in July.

[Bruno]

It was primarily for J.R. Smith. Nazr had nothing to do with it. Have you ever heard the expression "he's dead, he just hasn't fallen over yet"? Nazr is gone, he just hasn't packed yet. The Spurs are at the luxtax threshhold, Tim Tony and Manu will all earn at least 10% raises over the next 5 years jacking up the payroll considerably, and we drafted a center last summer, have a another center and a PF stashed overseas, and have Rasho, Horry and Oberto under contract for the next couple of years as a big man rotation to go with Tim.

I kinda diasgree with that.
The financial aspect was important with this deal.
With this trade Spurs will save $1.5M in 06-07.
The money saved with this trade + a Rasho trade can be enough to re-sign Nazr without hitting the Lux tax domain.
Nazr is far from be gone.
The only other reliable option we have to start at C next year is Rasho. In March, he has scored 9 points and grab 18 rebounds in 96 min (7 games played, he was DNP-CD against phoenix). I'm not sure that Pop is want to start him again. Oberto isn't good enoug to start, Horry isn't yound enough, Mahinmi is too young, Scola is a PF and has a huge buyout and Javtokas will be a rookie ans isn't maybe better than Oberto.
I can see Spurs trading Rasho and Barry to save money and re-signing Nazr. Maybe they will package them or do two separate trades.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I kinda diasgree with that.
The financial aspect was important with this deal.
With this trade Spurs will save $1.5M in 06-07.
The money saved with this trade + a Rasho trade can be enough to re-sign Nazr without hitting the Lux tax domain.
Nazr is far from be gone.
The only other reliable option we have to start at C next year is Rasho. In March, he has scored 9 points and grab 18 rebounds in 96 min (7 games played, he was DNP-CD against phoenix). I'm not sure that Pop is want to start him again. Oberto isn't good enoug to start, Horry isn't yound enough, Mahinmi is too young, Scola is a PF and has a huge buyout and Javtokas will be a rookie ans isn't maybe better than Oberto.
I can see Spurs trading Rasho and Barry to save money and re-signing Nazr. Maybe they will package them or do two separate trades.

Good points.

I think if it comes down to Nazr or Rasho, I would pick Nazr. I like Rasho's game, unlike most basketball fans...but Nazr brings a toughness to the team that we lack.

[Bruno]

I like Rasho too, but it's either him or Nazr and it seems that Pop has chosen.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I like Rasho too, but it's either him or Nazr and it seems that Pop has chosen.

Group hug.

[wildbill2u]

The Hornets don't seem interested in playing/developing Smith, so something might be worked out. And NOOK could use a multi-tool player like Barry. It could definitely happen.

There are several stories on the internet about JR SMith and WHY New Orleans coach Byron Scott won't play him and wants to get rid of him.

According to Scott, Smith has an at ude problem and won't practice/learn from the coaches. I don't have time to find a link.

[Peter]

Scott said Jack had an at ude problem too. Then Jack helped the Spurs win a championship.

[zeleni]

I like Rasho too, but it's either him or Nazr and it seems that Pop has chosen.

This year i think Pop hasn't chosen anything yet. Pop needs to repeat and Big 3 wants the playoff win more than anything. So why would anyone wanted to conclude who is the starting 5 in a gameplan when you can exchange even the scrubs between games?

I still think we can expect seeing Barry, Finley or even Razr inactive for a game. Even just to fool the enemy. Spurs are as deep as they can be, so strategies can be applied variably. Ignore the above. I am just saying Spurs can make trouble with constantly changing the starters. Just remember the effect of Manu from the bench. Maybe Nazr/Rasho swap could have the same effect.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

This year i think Pop hasn't chosen anything yet. Pop needs to repeat and Big 3 wants the playoff win more than anything. So why would anyone wanted to conclude who is the starting 5 in a gameplan when you can exchange even the scrubs between games?

I still think we can expect seeing Barry, Finley or even Razr inactive for a game. Even just to fool the enemy. Spurs are as deep as they can be, so strategies can be applied variably. Ignore the above. I am just saying Spurs can make trouble with constantly changing the starters. Just remember the effect of Manu from the bench. Maybe Nazr/Rasho swap could have the same effect.

Um, I think we meant in the offseason.

Not playoff stategy. Obviously both will be used interchangeably in the playoffs.

[ducks]

Scott said Jack had an at ude problem too. Then Jack helped the Spurs win a championship.

then jack said he could only play for pop turned down the offer and ran crawled to the hawks

[Please_dont_ban_me]

then jack said he could only play for pop turned down the offer and ran crawled to the hawks

Then some fans hit Jacks fist with there faces.

[Peter]

Jack made some bad decisions after that but I don't think anyone was complaining when he was knocking down those 3s in the 4th Q of Game 6 of the '03 Finals.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

you got that right

I still miss jack. He gave us the street cred we're sorely missing this season.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Jack made some bad decisions after that but I don't think anyone was complaining when he was knocking down those 3s in the 4th Q of Game 6 of the '03 Finals.

Nope.



Would have loved for him to stay, he would've been great on this team. Just like he is now with the Pacers. Oh, well. happens.

[Peter]

Maybe Smith would be like Jack without the bad (short term) free agency choice and the row 8 beatdown thing? Pop's shown that he can take a young player that has been labelled a problem child and turn him into a contributor in SA. This isn't the first time that Scott's had a problem with a young player.

[exstatic]

lol

what, you think demand the max or something??

Exhibit 1: The Spurs declined to match an offer for Devin Brown in the neighborhhod of $2.5M starting salary. That's about 1/4 of the MAX.

[ducks]

browns has a bad back
spur management knows all about bad backs see david robinson

[exstatic]

I like Rasho too, but it's either him or Nazr and it seems that Pop has chosen.

??? Pop has so completely "chosen" that Rasho started the second half last night. Nazr continues to play Charmin defense, a major no no on the Spurs.

Nazr is easily the worst defensive post player to get rotation burn for the Spurs in the last 15 years. That fact alone will earn him his ticket out of town, not to mention his probable market value of between $6-8M. Seven footers who can walk and chew gum are almost always overpaid when they hit the market; see: Dampier, Erick bench player for the Mavs.. The Spurs won't be the ones doing the overpaying, however.

[SequSpur]

browns has a bad back
spur management knows all about bad backs see david robinson

You fukkin idiot. He didn't get a new deal because they signed Mike Finley. Pop was fukkin clear on his show that Devin was back unless by chance Finley chose the Spurs.

Get your fukkin straight.....

[T Park]

If Devin Brown lowered his contract demands to a million or million and a half for 1 year, hed still be with the team.

IMHO.

[SequSpur]

If Devin Brown lowered his contract demands to a million or million and a half for 1 year, hed still be with the team.

IMHO.

I doubt it, because they have to many sgs and sfs.

[Bruno]

??? Pop has so completely "chosen" that Rasho started the second half last night. Nazr continues to play Charmin defense, a major no no on the Spurs.

Nazr is easily the worst defensive post player to get rotation burn for the Spurs in the last 15 years. That fact alone will earn him his ticket out of town, not to mention his probable market value of between $6-8M. Seven footers who can walk and chew gum are almost always overpaid when they hit the market; see: Dampier, Erick bench player for the Mavs.. The Spurs won't be the ones doing the overpaying, however.

??? The question isn't to know who is better between Rasho and Nazr or if Nazr is a good player. The real question is to know what will Spurs front office do this summer.

Spurs won't keep Rasho and nazr (too expensive). It's higly unlikely that they keep none of them (unless they trade rasho for another center), Spurs need a starting center.

In march, Nazr has almost played twice more than Rasho (184 min for Nazr, 98 min for Rasho). I know that it's only 15 days but 15 days in march are more meaningful than 15 days in December (notice that I've said "it seems").
Nazr maybe sucks but he has lately got way more playtime than Rasho, it seems that Pop has chosen.

For the FA aspect, Nazr won't get the same kind of money than Dampier. Nazr will be expensive but Rasho is expensive too. If we dump Rasho (I reckon that it won't be easy but some teams really need size), it will be a wash financially wise. Another point to consider is that teams over the cap can only offer the MLE ($5M). Among teams under the cap, only three (Chicago, Toronto and New Orleans) need a center. If you add the draft, the fact that Nazr isn't the only free agent and that Nazr maybe doesn't want to play for some teams, I can see Nazr receiving only full MLE offer ($30M/5 years). In this case, Spurs can offer him slighty more than the MLE (something like $38M/6 years) and keep him : it's not that overpaid and less expensive than Rasho.

[SenorSpur]

??? The question isn't to know who is better between Rasho and Nazr or if Nazr is a good player. The real question is to know what will Spurs front office do this summer.

Spurs won't keep Rasho and nazr (too expensive). It's higly unlikely that they keep none of them (unless they trade rasho for another center), Spurs need a starting center.

In march, Nazr has almost played twice more than Rasho (184 min for Nazr, 98 min for Rasho). I know that it's only 15 days but 15 days in march are more meaningful than 15 days in December (notice that I've said "it seems").
Nazr maybe sucks but he has lately got way more playtime than Rasho, it seems that Pop has chosen.

For the FA aspect, Nazr won't get the same kind of money than Dampier. Nazr will be expensive but Rasho is expensive too. If we dump Rasho (I reckon that it won't be easy but some teams really need size), it will be a wash financially wise. Another point to consider is that teams over the cap can only offer the MLE ($5M). Among teams under the cap, only three (Chicago, Toronto and New Orleans) need a center. If you add the draft, the fact that Nazr isn't the only free agent and that Nazr maybe doesn't want to play for some teams, I can see Nazr receiving only full MLE offer ($30M/5 years). In this case, Spurs can offer him slighty more than the MLE (something like $38M/6 years) and keep him : it's not that overpaid and less expensive than Rasho.

It would have been nice if Nazr would have accepted the Spurs tender offer last summer. However from his standpoint, I understand why he did not.