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    Yeah I'll be sure to bump this when one of those three is a successful NBA player.
    As you want but you can notice than none of the nba GMs had given them a try this year. Their nba level isn't that obvious.

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    timvp is never wrong.
    Jason Hart is still playing ball.

    You said he wasn't an NBA guy.

    Hes playing pretty solid to well for the Kings.

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    Another point. Every Ludden article lately seems to include the observation that the Spurs would like to get younger on the perimeter. Well, you had a young player who fit in your system and played better D than any current backup swing.

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    and wanted too much money for a player coming off a VERY questionable back injury.

    Charles Smith ed that up for everyone else.

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    and wanted too much money for a player coming off a VERY questionable back injury.

    Charles Smith ed that up for everyone else.

    One year commitment. Hopefully the Jazz up and don't keep him for next season.

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    Get back to me when Sanders can bring the ball up past mid-court under pressure....

    no wait, wrong standard response. Sorry, nevermind.

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    Sloan and him don't get along, so it's likely.

    If not, who knows.


    The FA hasn't ed up when it comes to young prospects "so far"

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    Jason Hart is still playing ball.

    You said he wasn't an NBA guy.

    Hes playing pretty solid to well for the Kings.
    X 100

    Obviously you haven't watched a Kings game this year. Playa is playing horrible. Actually, he doesn't even play anymore.

    3 points, 1 assists, 1 turnover in 12 minutes per game for the year? Under 39% for the season?

    I would say timvp was right in saying that Jason Hart isn't an NBA caliber player.

    Next.


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    Sloan and him don't get along, so it's likely.

    If not, who knows.


    The FA hasn't ed up when it comes to young prospects "so far"

    Hmmm...DB, Josh Howard, Jack, etc..

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    Seriously though, why wouldn't the Spurs have kept him all year if they thought he deserved a spot on the team? Holt didn't want to sell a couple more tractors so he instead didn't let the team run with 14 players ... like ever other team in the league.
    Because Spurs were $1M over the tax. This $1M cost in fact $4.5M to Holt ($1M in salary + $1M in lux tax + $2.5M less in escrow redistribution).
    They haven't signed a player to have more flexibility to go under the tax with a trade.
    And Spurs aren't the only team to have done that. New Jersey, philadelphia, Sacramento and Houston have done the same kind of things.

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    Because Spurs were $1M over the tax. This $1M cost in fact $4.5M to Holt ($1M in salary + $1M in lux tax + $2.5M less in escrow redistribution).
    They haven't signed a player to have more flexibility to go under the tax with a trade.
    And Spurs aren't the only team to have done that. New Jersey, philadelphia, Sacramento and Houston have done the same kind of things.

    They are set to lose the escrow no matter what.

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    Because Spurs were $1M over the tax. This $1M cost in fact $4.5M to Holt ($1M in salary + $1M in lux tax + $2.5M less in escrow redistribution).
    They haven't signed a player to have more flexibility to go under the tax with a trade.
    And Spurs aren't the only team to have done that. New Jersey, philadelphia, Sacramento and Houston have done the same kind of things.
    Exactly. It was a Holt related decision.

    Thanks.

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    Hopefully in the offseason they can revisit the Barry for Smith deal and then land Brown in free agency. Maybe even bring in Sanikidze. That would be a good start to getting 'youthful' on the perimeter.

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    Well, I think if Melvin ever visits this board he's going to have some idea how Jesus feels. Watching as people who really believe in essentially the same thing (the Spurs) squabbling over details at the mention of his name in debates that have never been settled and never will be settled. Holt's will be done.

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    They are set to lose the escrow no matter what.
    Now, yes but not before the deadline.
    With the Barry trade Spurs would be under the tax.
    The reaason why they tryed to find a third team to take Vroman instead of sending him to spurs was to put spurs under the tax and to save the $2.5M in escrow redistribution.

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    timvp is never wrong.

    link?

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    Now, yes but not before the deadline.
    With the Barry trade Spurs would be under the tax.
    The reaason why they tryed to find a third team to take Vroman instead of sending him to spurs was to put spurs under the tax and to save the $2.5M in escrow redistribution.

    Good. Then sign someone good for the remainder of the season.

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    Good. Then sign someone good for the remainder of the season.
    Not signing a 14th player for all the season was money related.
    Signing Sanders over all the players available is BB related.
    I think that Spurs choose him because he knows the system and because they aren't a way better player available.

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    Not signing a 14th player for all the season was money related.
    Signing Sanders over all the players available is BB related.
    I think that Spurs choose him because he knows the system and because they aren't a way better player available.
    I agree with this exactly.

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    Good post Bruno, thats exactly right.

    And I honestly have zero problem with it.

    There has been NOBODY out there that I could say, DAMN, why didn't we sign them.


    Signing Devin Brown would've been nice, but we had no idea how he would've been after the back thing.

    Had he come out this year, been on the IR off and on, and not played at all, TIMVP would've grudgingly had to give POP his due for being right about devin.

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    Not signing a 14th player for all the season was money related.
    Good to see a few thousand dollars means more to Holt than helping the team win.

    Signing Sanders over all the players available is BB related.
    Signing Rasho Nesterovic was BB related too. Doesn't make it right.

    I think that Spurs choose him because he knows the system and because they aren't a way better player available.
    They chose Rasho because Pop was in town and not Brad Miller because he didn't block enough shots

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    Good post Bruno, thats exactly right.

    And I honestly have zero problem with it.

    There has been NOBODY out there that I could say, DAMN, why didn't we sign them.


    Signing Devin Brown would've been nice, but we had no idea how he would've been after the back thing.

    Had he come out this year, been on the IR off and on, and not played at all, TIMVP would've grudgingly had to give POP his due for being right about devin.

    Um, Pop wanted to keep Brown and dump Barry last offseason.

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    Too bad they could'nt find a rube to go for Brent Barry's contract.

    They finally found someone in NO, but unfortunately Billy King runs his operation like a 9-5 mom and pop shop.

    They chose Rasho because Pop was in town and not Brad Miller because he didn't block enough shots
    You think Brad Miller is worth 11 million a year?

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    Good to see a few thousand dollars means more to Holt than helping the team win.
    It wasn't a few thousand dollars but $4M or $5M.
    I disagree with that too as a fan (as said before I would be happy with Graham or Barnes signed for the season and I said that before the season).
    On the other side I understand why they have done that. NBA is a bussiness and most trades are now financial moves.

    Signing Rasho Nesterovic was BB related too. Doesn't make it right.
    They chose Rasho because Pop was in town and not Brad Miller because he didn't block enough shots
    I just say that signing Sanders over players like Smith isn't related with Holt.
    Maybe it's a mistake. unlike you, I don't think so.

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