Immigration

[Sec24Row7]

My sister would be a DAR on both sides if she cared...

My mother's family had a bussiness in downtown San Antonio in 1860.

[word]

My sister would be a DAR on both sides if she cared...

My mother's family had a bussiness in downtown San Antonio in 1860.

Shame she doesn't care.

[Sec24Row7]

Why?

Your family is who you are, not who you've been.

[word]

Why?

Your family is who you are, not who you've been.

what do dat mean ?

[nkdlunch]

Ok, lets end this myth once and for all because I'm tired of seeing it said.

ILLEGALS PAY MOTHER ING TAXES JUST LIKE ANY OF YOU OTHER ERS.

The vast majority have deductions taken out of their checks just like the rest of you.

this is true. and another myth is that illegals get tons of free medical aid. Bull , the illegal will NEVER go to a hospital UNLESS he is dying. If they need a doctor or dentist they will pay CASH 99% of the time or stand the pain till it goes away. the main reason for this is because they are scared of la migra.

[Sec24Row7]

^^^^^

That's not true.

I have first hand experience that says otherwise.

[smeagol]

Bottom line is as long as the gap between rich and poor countries continues to be as wide as it is, the inmigration problem will not go away.

You can toughen the laws or build a wall accross the Mexican border, iligal inmigants will keep coming in.

The solution is elsewhere.

[jochhejaam]

Leave it alone, it subsidizes your SS.


(I haven't seen this posted, apologies if it has).

Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions
NY Times ^ | 4/5/05 | Eduardo Porter




Since illegally crossing the Mexican border into the United States six years ago, Ángel Martínez has done backbreaking work, harvesting asparagus, pruning grapevines and picking the ripe fruit. More recently, he has also washed trucks, often working as much as 70 hours a week, earning $8.50 to $12.75 an hour.

Not surprisingly, Mr. Martínez, 28, has not given much thought to Social Security's long-term financial problems. But Mr. Martínez - who comes from the state of Oaxaca in southern Mexico and hiked for two days through the desert to enter the United States near Tecate, some 20 miles east of Tijuana - contributes more than most Americans to the solvency of the nation's public retirement system.

Last year, Mr. Martínez paid about $2,000 toward Social Security and $450 for Medicare through payroll taxes withheld from his wages. Yet unlike most Americans, who will receive some form of a public pension in retirement and will be eligible for Medicare as soon as they turn 65, Mr. Martínez is not en led to benefits.

He belongs to a big club. As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.

Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."

It is impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrant workers pay taxes. But according to specialists, most of them do. Since 1986, when the Immigration Reform and Control Act set penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, most such workers have been forced to buy fake ID's to get a job.

Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

IRCA, as the immigration act is known, did little to deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants or to discourage them from working. But for Social Security's finances, it was a great piece of legislation.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fic ious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.

Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1377523/posts

I work in a Union and although there are some very good workers there are also some of the laziest people you'd ever want to meet. I'd take hard working illegal immigrants over them any day of the week.

[word]

The rich and poor in Los Angeles. , what place has such a huge disparity between the poor and filthy rich people than Los Angeles and New York ?

No where. This is why this is not really a Texas issue. You can count the billionaires and mulit-millionaires in SA on your hands. You can't count 'em with the hairs on your head in LA. There are FILTHY rich people in LA and a LOT OF 'EM.

Here, we're basically all the same. There's not that deep economic chasm that exists in LA.

That's just one angle on the topic I thought I'd throw out there.

[cheguevara]

Leave it alone, it subsidized you SS.


(I haven't seen this posted, apologies if it has).

Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions
NY Times ^ | 4/5/05 | Eduardo Porter




Since illegally crossing the Mexican border into the United States six years ago, Ángel Martínez has done backbreaking work, harvesting asparagus, pruning grapevines and picking the ripe fruit. More recently, he has also washed trucks, often working as much as 70 hours a week, earning $8.50 to $12.75 an hour.

Not surprisingly, Mr. Martínez, 28, has not given much thought to Social Security's long-term financial problems. But Mr. Martínez - who comes from the state of Oaxaca in southern Mexico and hiked for two days through the desert to enter the United States near Tecate, some 20 miles east of Tijuana - contributes more than most Americans to the solvency of the nation's public retirement system.

Last year, Mr. Martínez paid about $2,000 toward Social Security and $450 for Medicare through payroll taxes withheld from his wages. Yet unlike most Americans, who will receive some form of a public pension in retirement and will be eligible for Medicare as soon as they turn 65, Mr. Martínez is not en led to benefits.

He belongs to a big club. As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.

Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."

It is impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrant workers pay taxes. But according to specialists, most of them do. Since 1986, when the Immigration Reform and Control Act set penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, most such workers have been forced to buy fake ID's to get a job.

Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

IRCA, as the immigration act is known, did little to deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants or to discourage them from working. But for Social Security's finances, it was a great piece of legislation.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fic ious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.

Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1377523/posts

I work in a Union and although there are some very good workers there are also some of the laziest people you'd ever want to meet. I'd take hard working illegal immigrants over them any day of the week.

gracias

[Mucha Lucha]

pinche jorge boosh...

[xrayzebra]

You mean no one else would pay those billions in SS if
they were filling the same jobs, legally? Strange, I
would have thought they would.

[boutons_]

"Mr. Martínez is not en led to benefits."

Not officially, but if he shows up badly sick/injured, nearly all health care orgs/doctors will provide "humanitarian" care for him, then send the bill to state/federal authorities for re-imbursement, so that his payroll contributions and those of other state/federal tax end up paying for him anyway. Same is true of the 10s of millions of health-uninsured Americans.

ie, "uninsured" doesn't mean "uncared for"

In fact, the USA already has a fully socialized, stealth "national health insurance" system via this humanitarian back door. But because uninsured/"illegal" people don't seek medical care until they are critically sick, their care is much more expensive to treat.

A majority of Americans want a national health insurance system, but the right-winger/red-staters/conservatives controlling the Repug party block even the mention of a national "anything" except bull trillion-dollar wars.

[boutons_]

[Cant_Be_Faded]

You mean no one else would pay those billions in SS if
they were filling the same jobs, legally? Strange, I
would have thought they would.

You, my retired army friend, are a dumbass.

[Trainwreck2100]

You mean no one else would pay those billions in SS if
they were filling the same jobs, legally? Strange, I
would have thought they would.

They wouldn't be doing those jobs at all.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This forum needs more Trainwreck

[smeagol]

I've said it once and I'll say it a million times, the inmigration issue will not go away while the gap between rich and poor nation continues to widen.