Idiotic? How so? The guy was arguing that he shouldn't have to learn Spanish. I was saying he didn't have to. Anyway.
We are all Tejano's now.. not Mexico..
They want to ignore the Alamo and the victory. Santa head is the one that killed all the women and children. Then Sam Houston slapped him and he gave us this . Don't they remember the Alamo!!!!!!!!
I support the green card program but they need to do a little background, photo and prints JUST like we have to if we apply for Mexico citizenship.
If they students want to show Mexico then move back.. this is Not Mexico.. this is Texas.
All of the views pointed out in this thread are anecdotal at best. AHF with his stories of HEB. Well, I have worked at 3 different HEBs as well. And guess what? A lot of the food stamp customers were not immigrants. So do our stories cancel each other out or something? Not trying to be a smart ass. But everyone has a 'story'.
I want proof that my tax dollars are going towards illegal immigration care. Where are the facts, stats and links that everyone usually demands in these types of threads? The fact that nobody is providing them leads me to believe that people are talking in this thread with emotion instead of a straight head.
A couple of things I wanted to comment on: The person who was saying send Canadians AND Mexicans back has got to be joking. This is purely a Mexican thing, I have never heard of anyone telling a Canadian that they could not cross over. I am not going to say outright racism, but if it looks like a duck and quacks...
2. People who offer a guest worker program as a solution- do you guys realize that these people are underpaid? If you made working here legal, that means that they would have to (GASP!) be paid a living wage. Somehow, I think the sweatshop and farm owners would not like this very much, and continue to 'hire' illegals.
Which leads me to my last point- Our consumer demands for wal-mart rock-bottom pricing is what drives illegal immigration. If you as consumers want to continue to demand such low prices, then don't about the end result of it. Open your wallets for either American wages, a living wage for guest workers, or shut up about it.
Oh, and for the peeps who keep saying "my country"... unless you are Native American, someone in your family was likely here illegally at some point. So, because they were a little earlier to the game, that means they got in, and tough to everyone else? Because that is sure what it sounds like to me.
No you don't have to pay them min wage. You would need to let the workers do what they always do. They talk to the employeers for bids.
KEEP the govt out of any pay issues or housing (you have to give them housing and car once a week now under current laws).
They want to work. Fine but I want to make sure non are Felons. I want to protect YOU and your's...
I know some hunters that where killed in Real co' by some bad Mexican criminals.
So it's not all fine and dandy.
We have rule of law. Mexico has rule of law
Mexico EXPECT you to obey there law's when you are in Mexico. This means presenting ID. filling out a form. Typing your name in a computer (to look for wanted warrents etc) THEN giving you a visa paperwork.
We should expect exactly the same in return.
Ever try to get a job there? I looked into working there as a dive master and they where like NO gringo is gonna take a Mexican's JOB EVER at ude.
Unless you have a million bucks you will NEVER work in Mexico.. NEVER!
This is dirt simple:
INVADE MEXICO. That way there's no longer a border for them to jump and since Mexico will then be America they won't be illegal immigrants. Besides, how else is Vashner gonna get his dream job?
Great post
I got nothing but love for Mexico and it's people. Mexican culture is part of our Tejano culture. But they are not as good as us
We have a lot of migrants living here in my hood. My mom says "how can you tell who is from Mexico"... I said "The ones that don't wave back". lol...
(That's the noobs they too shy / scared still).
Im out in Bulverde.. you know that hick kind of thing where everyone waves the hand we do that here. And only noobs from Mexico kinda keep on walking like laser eye's.
Hey vato no quero some bueno amore amigo? hahah
So you are saying to allow a legal, US-endorsed program where the 'guest' workers get paid slave wages? You HAVE to be kidding me. You think there is controversy now over this, wait till people find out that 'guests' in our country are being treated as 3rd-class citizens LEGALLY. The and everything else will hit the fan.No you don't have to pay them min wage. You would need to let the workers do what they always do. They talk to the employeers for bids.
Melmart-
Sure, pay them a living wage. I'm not opposed to that at all. We'll be taking out taxes etc from their paychecks, so they should be able to live on what they make.
I'm in no way opposed to people trying to better themselves. I'm not opposed to our government trying to help them. But I am opposed to the illegality of entering another country. Period. I don't care what country the person in question comes from - Canada, Mexico, Italy, Ireland, Nigeria or Australia. I don't care which border they cross - if they cross it illegally, I don't want them here.
I want to do what is possible to secure the borders. Building a wall and stationing troops on the borders full time is not practical. So let's see if we can find a way to do this somehow. Let's spend our money cracking down on those who take advantage of immigrants to give them too little money. Let's spend the money to crack down on illegal transports which are dangerous to the people inside. Let's spend the money to try and get adequate housing and medical coverage for people who will be here on a temporary basis in a guest capacity.
It's insulting to everyone who is a citizen and to those immigrants who came into this country legally to do otherwise.
Best post by far!! People are showing their true colors.
Ok, you did raise a good point. If they are guests only and do not have full citizenship rights, then why should they be treated as first class citizens when they are, in fact, not?
I'm not opposed to securing fair wages for guest workers, don't get me wrong. But technically, one of the balances that a guest worker program could strike is legally making them second class citizens - after all, they wouldn't command the right to vote, so they would be that anyway. Not saying no fair wages, but . . .
There are economic issues here in play and there are moral issues in play. The problem is that they can't both be reconciled. And the governments responsibility is first and foremost to the citizens of the country, no one else.
We get it, you've posted the samething like five times. Let me give you an example of why some come over illegally.
Mexico and USA don't grant VISA's easily. The wait is sometimes yrs, they're desperate and can't find work in Mexico. So they come accross illegaly to stay alive and to have a better life.
At least 60 students walk out in support of Mexican immigrants
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met....7c8dd2eb.html
Web Posted: 03/31/2006 12:46 PM CST
Mic e M. Martinez
Express-News Staff Writer
At least 60 high school students in the Judson Independent School District walked out of school Friday in support of allowing Mexican immigrants to remain in the United States.
Students from Judson High School’s two campuses – together they house the 9-12 grades – and some students from Wagner High School participated, leaving school when the morning bell rang. The students walked to Roosevelt High School, in the North East Independent School District, and stood across the street waving Mexican flags and chanting “Si se puede” – it can be done. The call was meant to urge the federal government to find a way to allow illegal immigrants to remain in this country.
They then ran through a parking lot to Walzem Road, off I-35, where they walked along the sidewalk to the sound of honking motorists. One car displayed three green, red and white T-shirts – the color of the Mexican flag -- draped outside the passenger-side window.
Police followed the students, but did not intervene.
It was unclear this Friday morning who organized the walkout, why the students chose to go to Roosevelt and what consequences they might face for leaving school.
Lawmakers are rewriting the nation’s immigration laws. A U.S. House proposal that calls for building a 700-mile long fence along the Southwest border has drawn the most protest from the Hispanic community. The U.S. Senate has taken up debate of a plan that would create a guest worker program.
“I’m out here because I have a lot of homeboys and homegirls who are from Mexico, and their families are, too,” said John Tristan, a freshmen at Judson High School. “I think it’s unfair that they want to take them back to Mexico.”
And this stupid about Santa Anna killing women and children. Just remember the ILLEGAL British, IRISH, ITILIAN etc killed Thousands of innocent NATIVE AMERICAN men, women and children and stole their land then stuck them in reservations.
In what way ? Race baiting ?Great post
That it's true and people are afraid to admit it.
Illegal ? What law was broken, brother ? It always amazes me when people lump the native tribes into 'one nation' that ran free in total peace and bliss in North America as if they were 'one'.
I can barely stand this rewrite of history but it seem to be the norm and accepted practice today.
Listen, a civilization that built the Notre Dame Cathedral, for example, 600 years before the white man set foot in NA and conqured the 'tent people' nomads....was destined to do so.
North American tribes were HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEHIND the Europeans...in fact, a couple of thousand.
That's the way of the world, man.
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The reason they should be treated like everyone else is that they are HUMAN. This country as it is today is a direct result of people being treated as 2nd class citizens for something beyond thier control- the religion they were born into.
So now, we as Americans will upon the very tenet we founded this country on beacuse of another thing beyond people's countrol- country of birth? And why? Over some PERCEPTION (as NOBODY has yet to prove otherwise so far in this thread) that they are using our medical and humanitarian resources?
We go in and 'liberate' Iraq in the name of humanitarianism. We have spent billions to do it. Yet, the very people that help fuel our economy and help enable us to have the way of life we enjoy, we don't want to give them a simple checkup?
OH, ok, because the Natives didn't have laws, it wasn't illegal. Got it!
Who owns land ? What determines who owns land, son. Now AND then.
Who 'owns' land is whoever has the ability to hold it. By hook, crook, gun or law.
Period.
Hey I'm thinking of buying some property in the hill country. It's been there for billions of years. We're looking for the rightful owner to cut a deal.
Please inform on what I should do. I'm thinking about making a deal with the le holder.
That's just me. But I'm sure there is some lizard who had it first.
Nice chatting....
Ownership of land...I believe that there is some principal that espouses that and that other one that doesn't....
Last edited by word; 03-31-2006 at 07:07 PM.
LOL, freaking idiot.
LOL, freaking idiot.
I Don't Know What We're Yelling About!!!
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