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    What I wonder about the Pistons is how many times can they dig themselves a 15, 17 point deficit in the first half, and then manage to pull it out in the second.

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    If I were to grade Pop's coaching skills based on some of the Spurs fans reactions to Pop in the forum after some of the Spurs losses I'd have to give a big edge to Flip.

    We get some of the same types of threads started in the Pistons forums. You'd think that with only 14 and 16 losses for our teams Coach-bashing wouldn't be so in vogue even after losses.
    I guess it's that Championship teams fans have unrealistic expectations for our teams. We demand perfectection and nothing less will suffice!
    I know I'm way behind in this thread and that's it's not the appropriate place for a post like this, but the animosity towards Pop -- especially after a loss -- aggravates me to no end.

    There are a few factors that explain this tendency. The most apparent is the one you mention: unrealistic expectations. But this factor is much more pervasive than just thinking an excellent team should win most (if not all) of their games.

    Historically, the basketball culture in San Antonio has always had high expectations which have frequently been let down. When DRob and Elliott joined the team, everyone in San Antonio thought a championship was just a few years away. One of the most physically-gifted, charismatic centers of all time combined with a stellar swingman was supposed to bring multiple rings. However, several forces combined to frustrate the Spurs for many years. While most of the blame should have been assigned to the people who actually played in the playoff games we lost to the Warriors, Suns, Rockets and eternally-reviled Jazz, many people felt bad about pointing a finger at such wonderful, likeable guys who just couldn't get it done. In San Antonio, DRob was almost above criticism because of his civic contributions and upstanding demeanor. As a result, Larry Brown, John Lucas, and Bob Hill took a lot of heat that was truly undeserved. Combined with the lingering animus over the firing of Bob Hill, Gregg Popovich has also had to endure this cultural tendency of criticizing the coach and apologizing the players.

    While many other coaches on many other teams face this same fate, there are a few who haven't had to shoulder the load of their teams' failures. Jerry Sloan in Utah and Phil Jackson in LA are prime examples in the modern era, while Red Auerbach and Chuck Daly remained unsullied even on the rare occasions when their teams didn't live up to expectations.

    Many fans in Detroit do the same thing to Larry Brown that Spurs fans have done to Gregg Popovich: languidly laudinng his successes while vehemently villifying his failures (sorry for the hokey alliterations). While not completely undeserved, I still feel embarrased when Spurs fans unnecessarily place too heavy a burden on the coach, blaming him when his players fail to perform. Now I know that there are plenty of people on this board who distributed blame freely to anyone they get upset at, but I still believe Pop gets the shaft more than he should.

    Pop won the Coach of the Year award in 2003 while guiding the Spurs to 60 wins. Arguably, he should have won the award at least two or three times. He has a career winning percentage of .673 (second highest active, fifth highest all-time), and a career playoff record of 69-41 (.627, fifth highest all-time). He has led the Spurs to the league's best record three times in 10 years. He has won three NBA Championships in 9 full seasons of coaching. He is undoubtedly heading for the Hall of Fame, and when his career is over, he will be renowned as one of the greatest coaches of all-time. While none of this insulates him from criticism, it also should command respect from the people who have the most intimate knowledge of his career: Spurs fans. Everyone knows that David Robinson and Tim Duncan are gifts from God...San Antonio should realize that Gregg Popovich is too.
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    San Antonio should realize that Gregg Popovich is too
    blasphamy around here.

    Don't you know that if you dont rip up the coach after every loss, your a "homer"

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    A Limerick for Mavsfan1000

    There once was a ball team named Dallas,
    Whose play often mimicked an Alice,
    With their injuries three,
    Mavsfans said "woe is me",
    While the Finals were played at the Palace.


    The End.
    Classic limerick! Here's a slight edit:

    There once was a ball team from Dallas
    Whose owner licked quite a large phallus
    With their injuries three
    Mavsfan1000 said "woe is me,"
    While the Finals were played at the Palace

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    What I wonder about the Pistons is how many times can they dig themselves a 15, 17 point deficit in the first half, and then manage to pull it out in the second.
    When we play the spurs our only worry will be to expand on a 15 point half time lead.

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    nice to see the Piston trolls are starting early. cwalk was here last year but got banned...he just added the 989.

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    When we play the spurs our only worry will be to expand on a 15 point half time lead.

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    When we play the spurs our only worry will be to expand on a 15 point half time lead.
    Must not, shall not, feed the troll!!!

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    it will be funny if neither spurs nor detroit make the finals this year

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    nice to see the Piston trolls are starting early. cwalk was here last year but got banned...he just added the 989.
    Tryin to keep it clean this year. Me getting banned last year was a bunch of crap, I only got banned, because everything I said would happen in game 6 happened.

    I hope you guys realize this year that the pistons are on a different level than anyother team in the league. Nobody is gonna be able to do anything with us in the playoffs this year. I can't wait.

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    You got banned because you were being a troll. The people who have the power to ban here don't ban you for getting a prediction correct. The other Piston fans here are capable of having mature basketball debate, why aren't you?

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    You got banned because you were being a troll. The people who have the power to ban here don't ban you for getting a prediction correct. The other Piston fans here are capable of having mature basketball debate, why aren't you?
    Spurs suck! Pistons in 3....

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    it will be funny if neither spurs nor detroit make the finals this year
    I would absolutely puke if it was a Miami/Dallas finals.

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    Spurs suck! Pistons in 3....
    see? like this!

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    I would absolutely puke if it was a Miami/Dallas finals.
    I would agree.

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    LOL dallas is still too soft to make it to the finals

    it will be phoenix and miami

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    You got banned because you were being a troll. The people who have the power to ban here don't ban you for getting a prediction correct. The other Piston fans here are capable of having mature basketball debate, why aren't you?
    What have I said that isn't mature. Whenever I say the pistons are better than the spurs, you guys get your panty's all in a bunch, and say I not mature or whatever.

    If I got banned last year, because of vulgar language it wasn't any worse than what any of you idiots said to me.

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    pistons suck though

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    so now all Spurs fans are idiots?

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    This is real mature right old proffesor

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    about as mature as this....

    No chance at all!!!

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    Pistons are the greatest jump shooting/free throw shooting/defensive/rebounding team in the history of the NBA. Not only do 4 of their starting 5 (plus mcdyess) shoot excellent jump shots from virtually anywhere on the floor, but everyone rebounds extremely well, and they get offensive rebounds like no other, play suffocating defense, and the guys that go to the line the most almost never miss free throws.

    Chauncy billups can shoot a three whenever he wants to, at any point in the game, at any time, against any player. He also has perfected the "travel dribble" [for slow motion accurate footage, refer to his commercial from last year] to such a degree that he can get into the lane at will.
    Tayshaun is so long and skinny and long that he can lock down any single player he guards at any time. He also is a jump shot master this season and can knock down the three when he pleases. His rebounding and putbacks and dunks are at the highest level of his career this season.
    Ben Wallace has proved time and time again why he is a former 2 time DPOY (except against shaq), and is also slowly becoming a Jumpshot King.
    Chauncy billups can hit threes any w here, any time, any place, from any spot on the court. If the pistons are down? Just go into the Chauncy Billups Three Offensive Mode. And if he misses? No worries, Pistons will always get that Offensive Rebound so he can shoot it again.

    Tayshaun can also lock down any player he wants to, and get offensive rebounds.

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    Pistons have yet to prove they can beat the Spurs in 7. Pistons' only difference from last year is the coach. The starting five are the same. Bench hasn't changed that much. Is that enough to beat the Spurs? Spurs bench, OTOH, has gotten deeper.

    We'll see.
    Last edited by smeagol; 04-02-2006 at 04:55 PM.

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    The thing about the Pistons is that any time they are down in a game, their defense is still there, and Chauncy Billups can just dribble-travel up to the three point line, and sink a perfect swish Three. He can do this at any time. When the pistons are down? Just let chauncy sink the three.

    And when he misses? Tayshaun, or the Wallaces will get that OR 99% of the time.

    They're infallible. Chauncy threes.

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    The Pistons were only a quarter away from repeating are playing better than they were last year. IMO, they and the Spurs are the two favorites for the le. To say its a fact that the Spurs are a lock to repeat is foolish, to say its a fact they can't do it is equally foolish.

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