I'm gonna say it

[Hook Dem]

No, what he said was the Kings played better last night. He did not say when teams play us physical we go into the fetal position. What an absolutely assinine observation. I am continuously amazed at what some people write on this forum after losses. It is incredible. If the team had the same reaction the season would be over. Wow, best record for the Spurs ever, best record in the west, while fighting through many injuries and a really whacked travel schedule all year, and having some of their loyal fans call them soft? Lunacy. Can't wait until the Kings come back for game 1. Boy are they in for a rude awakening.

A very good analogy! Why not look at it this way? Did you lose a lot in Vbookie? Please give this team a break. The sky is not falling! Some in here are all wrapped up in thinking of themselves as great sports analizers. You think the Spurs will win or lose? Who knows? Thats why they play the games! As for me........IN SPURS WE TRUST! Ease up a little or you may not live long.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Man the reaction to this is almost as bad as when the Mavs blasted us by 40 last year. From my perspective this team has a bad case of tunnel vision going on. They just didn't look like they wanted to be out there last night, which I attribute to the combination of a very big game Friday night coupled with the usual B2B syndrome. (I will concede that it seems that the B2B mentality has gotten the better of this team and that is really annoying.)

Meanwhile the Kings had all sorts of reasons to come out fired up. First this is a potential first round matchup and they needed to prove to the world and themselves that they could hang with the Spurs, especially after the beat down Dallas gave them. Not only that but they've little room for error with the Jazz and Hornets on their heels. So it shouldn't be too surprising that they came out their with playoff like intensity while the Spurs looked plain flat, which manifested itself in the Spurs getting out hustled and pushed around.

Dallas will be the real litmus test to see if the Spurs are ready for another le run. They'll have a little rest, be looking to bounce back hard, and make a statement against a probable playoff opponent. In short they'll have all the motivation that the Kings had going for them last night.

[easjer]

to this entire thread.

Better stock up on the ulcer and anti-anxiety meds because there is way a lot of you folks are gonna make it through the playoffs.

And to whoever said that every team should be disappointed if they don't win the championship each year - I feel very sorry for you, because you clearly miss out on a lot of good things in life if you apply that philosophy across the board. Only 1 team wins it. That means 29 teams don't. If you can't enjoy the great ride, the best record ever and whatever else they give you if they don't win it all, or better yet, in whatever way you determine to be the way to win it (blowout, more effort, more 'physicality', more heart) then you are taking it way, way too seriously.

I love this team. I devote a large part of my life to following this team, catching whatever games I can, reading up on them, catching shows they might be on, talking with whatever fans I can. But I'm realistic - if you can't enjoy what they offer without the ultimate championship, then that's sad. It must be a rough life for you, filled with little pleasure.

I realize that this is the prime time to win with our current squad. I realize they won't be around forever. But I enjoy them while they are here, champions or no. Spurs fans have become en led whiny brats thanks to these championships. Nice way to repay the team for what they bring to your life.

Now I'm sure someone wants to comment on the fact that I'm not a 'true' fan if I don't threaten to slit my wrists if they don't win. No point in it, but whatever.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This year's team is poised to have a better record than last year's team by 3 or 4 Ws.

Sweet, when do they give us the trophy? When's the river parade for better regular season record than last year?

No, what he said was the Kings played better last night. He did not say when teams play us physical we go into the fetal position. What an absolutely assinine observation.

Asinine is thinking that someone like Manu would say "yeah, we play soft when teams get physical with us." If you can't see the problem for what it is, just promise me that you won't get upset when this team fails to nut up come playoff time.

This team has gotten into a bad habit of looking to the refs for a bailout when things get physical. That's the same thing that got Detroit beat last year in the Finals. It's an arrogant mindset of "we're the defending champs, why aren't you giving us the calls?" And it's going to get us beat unless it changes.

[nkdlunch]

to this entire thread.

Better stock up on the ulcer and anti-anxiety meds because there is way a lot of you folks are gonna make it through the playoffs.

I agree, some Spur fans need extra doses of these:

[BigVee]

I promise I won't get upset if they don't nut up. Why don't you promise to stop over analyzing every freaking game?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I love this team. I devote a large part of my life to following this team, catching whatever games I can, reading up on them, catching shows they might be on, talking with whatever fans I can. But I'm realistic - if you can't enjoy what they offer without the ultimate championship, then that's sad. It must be a rough life for you, filled with little pleasure.

I realize that this is the prime time to win with our current squad. I realize they won't be around forever. But I enjoy them while they are here, champions or no. Spurs fans have become en led whiny brats thanks to these championships. Nice way to repay the team for what they bring to your life.

Just to clear things up. I love this team as well. I just expect for them to be there at the end playing for it all, at least for the rest of TD's prime.

Here's where I guess I differ from you - I can deal with us getting beat if the guys do their best and leave it all on the floor and it's still not enough.

I can't deal with us playing soft, backing down from a challenge, or looking to the refs for a bailout.

This team didn't get to where it's at by expecting zebra charity. I love this team because it got to where it was through hard work, a lunch pail mentality, and working harder and smarter than any other team in the league, hustling every play, never saying quit.

Now they've worked their way to the top, they just seem to forget what got them there - all that stuff I just talked about. They play tough defense on teams and attribute all their success to that hard nosed D, then when other teams play that way against them, they go to the refs and ask for help. Can't have it both ways.

Same thing with the physicality aspect. The team used to take pride in getting in the grill of other teams and making them uncomfortable. Now other teams are copying our recipe for success, and using it against us, and we back down from the fight/cry to the refs.

There's no hustle, no fight, no desire. Last night we folded with 7 minutes left to play down 15. That's not Spurs basketball. Spurs basketball is nutting up and holding them to 4 points the rest of the way, being efficient on offense, and squeaking out the win.

But again, last night is but one symptom of the bigger problem of how we've played this year. Go back and look at both of the games with the Pistons. I don't care if Manu was out the first game - both games they took us to the woodshed on the glass and that was the difference in the game.

Leading up to the second game all we heard from the Spurs was that they were ashamed of their performance on the boards in the first game and how things would be different.

Then they went out, got outworked and outhustled in the second game for the rebounds, and all they could do is look to the refs for help.

Again, that's not Spurs basketball. That's not the kind of basketball play that got them 3 les in 7 years.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why don't you promise to stop over analyzing every freaking game?

Why don't you stop reading my posts if it's such a problem? That, or recognize that it's a *discussion* board, and I want to discuss something besides Eva's latest sound bite about Tony or the newest Tim Duncan GUNN Ancira commercial.

[smeagol]

A very good analogy! Why not look at it this way? Did you lose a lot in Vbookie? Please give this team a break. The sky is not falling! Some in here are all wrapped up in thinking of themselves as great sports analizers. You think the Spurs will win or lose? Who knows? Thats why they play the games! As for me........IN SPURS WE TRUST! Ease up a little or you may not live long.

You make so much more sense in this forum than in the other one.

Keep it up!

[Old School Chic]

I agree, some Spur fans need extra doses of these:

Classic

[BigVee]

I don't disagree with you in theory, but in reality, no team leaves it all on the floor every regular season game. They just don't. And, if you expect that, you are in for several disappointments at various times during the season. When we get to the playoffs then I will agree, maximum effort every game. And it is not just the players. Don't you think Pop's sub pattern would have been different if last night was game 1 of the WC playoffs?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

And going back to the thoughts on how the Spurs need someone like Willis/Ferry/T-Mass, I think right now the guy who is filling that role is Robert Horry. He's not going to step into the paint and club a guy to the floor (not that I can really recall any of those guys doing that either), but he doesn't back down. I believe he was involved in a few scuffles last year and this year he was the guy who didn't put up with Stackhouse's and put an elbow in Reggie Evans jaw after being on the receiving end of a few.

[BigVee]

Why don't you stop reading my posts if it's such a problem? That, or recognize that it's a *discussion* board, and I want to discuss something besides Eva's latest sound bite about Tony or the newest Tim Duncan GUNN Ancira commercial.

Asking me to promise something is not a discussion. So I asked you to promise something. And, you don't discuss, you question the team's desire to win....which, based on their history...I believe is absurd. It is one thing to question/discuss stategy and tactics and individual performances, but when you question the mental for ude of a championship team, I think you are way off base.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't disagree with you in theory, but in reality, no team leaves it all on the floor every regular season game. They just don't.

The problem is that I haven't seen anything to even hint this at ude will change come playoff time.

And I don't buy into the whole "just flip a switch come playoff time" thing.

Lord knows I hope I'm wrong on this, but I just haven't seen that moment this year where the team gels. Last year it was on the road when we played those double OT games back to back without Duncan and won. '03 was the rodeo road trip. We haven't had a crystalizing moment like that this year. That worries me.

[BigVee]

The problem is that I haven't seen anything to even hint this at ude will change come playoff time.

And I don't buy into the whole "just flip a switch come playoff time" thing.

Lord knows I hope I'm wrong on this, but I just haven't seen that moment this year where the team gels. Last year it was on the road when we played those double OT games back to back without Duncan and won. '03 was the rodeo road trip. We haven't had a crystalizing moment like that this year. That worries me.

I know it has been a weird year. Many complaints about the team's play yet they will finish with their best record ever. I just think once the playoffs start, and Pop let's the regulars play more minutes, etc...Of course I hope I am right...but firmly believe I am.

[angel_luv]

I hate losing as much as anybody, but it happened. I bet the guys learns from it, rest up, and come out like Tigers on Friday. Dallas is going down!

Personally I am going to accept the L and hope we win out from here.

Go Spurs Go!

[Senator Joseph McCarthy]

I'm sensing a disturbing amount of disloyalty in this thread, and it just so happens that it's coming from people that are already on my list of know traitors to the Spurs cause, particularly a person of interest that the FBI has code name gieOopsHan. You remind me of these damn rabble rousing hippy communist instigators, always asking silly questions. Why question capitalism and democracy if it lead to nearly 200 of prosperity? And why question a Spurs team that is on track for a historic record? Can you explain how a team that is record wise doing better than ever in a time where the compe ion is stiffer than ever has gotten their by abandoning defense and playing tough?

HUAC's recommendation is that this poor soul is in need of serious reeducation, or immediate deportation to Spursreport.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Points for creativity, spurs fan in exile, aka Senator...

I guess the next form of denial is an attempt at a play on another user's handle... so be it.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Curses! I'm found out! I figured the good senator from Wisconsin could say it better than I could. But the questions still remain AHF. You're right on that the Spurs got out hustled and their physicality was lacking last night and that's why they lost. But if teams more and more teams are starting to copy the Spurs game plan and get physical with them and that causes the Spurs to fold up and whine, why are they winning more and more games?

Take this game for what it was-a game that meant a lot more to the Kings than it did the Spurs, which is exactly how both teams played it.

[BigVee]

Curses! I'm found out! I figured the good senator from Wisconsin could say it better than I could. But the questions still remain AHF.

I think the witness has answered the questions already, and represented his point of view well. I just happen to disagree with him, and hope like he is wrong. Otherwise it is going to be a long summer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

But if teams more and more teams are starting to copy the Spurs game plan and get physical with them and that causes the Spurs to fold up and whine, why are they winning more and more games?

There's but a handful of this teams that have the necessary athletes, particularly at the SF, PF, and C spots, to pull off that style of play.

hope like he is wrong. Otherwise it is going to be a long summer.

Agreed on both accounts.

[smeagol]

The problem is that I haven't seen anything to even hint this at ude will change come playoff time.

In March, they beat Dallas, Phoenix twice and Denver on the road (the other three best teams in the West).

How is that for a start?

[Fabbs]

I love this team. I devote a large part of my life to following this team, catching whatever games I can, reading up on them, catching shows they might be on, talking with whatever fans I can. But I'm realistic - if you can't enjoy what they offer without the ultimate championship, then that's sad. It must be a rough life for you, filled with little pleasure.

Your avatar is giving my life a little pleasure.

[easjer]

My husband is thrilled to hear it Fabbs, this rose is one from the dozen my husband gave me on our wedding day. Thanks for the reminder to change it back!

Edit - I always think everyone should stop and enjoy the roses.

[smeagol]

My husband is thrilled to hear it Fabbs, this rose is one from the dozen my husband gave me on our wedding day. Thanks for the reminder to change it back!

Edit - I always think everyone should stop and enjoy the roses.

Nooooooooooo . . . . . . .

We want the other one.

(tell your husband he is a lucky man)