This is absolutely ridiculous. Nash is an amazing team player, but this isn't the Who Makes his Team-mates the best award. This is an indivual award. I used to think that Nash deserved to win MVP this season, but not anymore because:
1) How can you have an MVP who doesn't play a lick of defense?
2) How can you say he makes team-mates better, when he already had good players around him? Marion and Raja Bell aren't exactly scrubs.
3) The run and gun style the Suns play in makes Nash appear better than he is.
4) If Nash was so valuable...how come the Mavs are doing completely fine without him?
5) Is Nash really that good that he deserves to be in the company of players like MJ and Duncan who've won back to back MVP awards?
Kobe, Dirk, Lebron should have easily been considered ahead of Nash.
1) how can you have an MVP who doesn't play a lick of defense? then you name too players who don't play a lick of defense, Dirk and Lebron.Honestly if any player deserves the MVP other then nash it would be Kobe, but how can you honestly give the MVP award to a player who's team barely made the playoffs and will be sitting at home watching the playoffs on tv after next week?
1) how can you have an MVP who doesn't play a lick of defense? then you name too players who don't play a lick of defense, Dirk and Lebron.
Um, Dirk and Lebron both play a lot more defense than Steve Nash ever has. Moreover, they both have better all around games than Nash. They can block shots, get the steal, etc....and it can be argued that they also make their team-mates better.
Personally, I think Kobe or Dirk should have gotten it. If Kobe had Shawn Marion and Boris Diaw and Raja Bell playing next to him...that team could have won 50 games also.
Horrible. It was bad enough they gave it to him last year. This year there are probably 4 better candidates: Dirk, Kobe, LeBron, even Arenas is a better player.
NBA pimping their show team. Nash is rewarded for playing in a system that doesn't care about defense, and tries to get a shot up as fast as possible. Please, God, let Phoenix lose in the first round and be exposed, AGAIN. Maybe people will "get it" then and stop seeing them as a good team.
I say this one more time- Multiple MVP winners for guards:
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Steve Nash
I'm hating because it's not like last year when he was clearly on the best team in the league after starting the previous season with 29 wins. The team was banged up, and any passer could've gotten 50, but he just happened to win 62.
That's not the case this year. Lebron's team won 50 games for the first time since 1992-93 and all he did was average 31, 7, and 7.
Chauncey Billups increased his assists by 3 a game, his scoring by 2 game to give him similar numbers to Nash. But while Stevie's team lost 8 games more than 2004-05, Billups' team won 10 more for a franchise mark. Applying the logic of Steve Nash winning last season, he should be in serious consideration. He has a better assist-to-turnover ratio than Nash.
Kobe Bryant's team won 11 more games than in 2004-05. His scoring season is top-8 all-time, and only Rick Barry in the top 10 joins Kobe Bryant without a Most Valuable Player award. He scored the most points in a game since Wilt's 100. He made people think 100 was breakable. When people look back at this season, they will think about that game. And somehow Phil Jackson is credited for the 45-37 season. His scoring average only bested his career high by 5 points a game.
Somehow Avery Johnson got all of Dirk Nowitizki's mojo.
On top of the fact that John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Maurice Cheeks, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson - all of who won 55-60 games and the assist le - don't have an MVP.
Exactly! Man, I didn't think I'd be so miffed about this. I know it's just an award, and no Spur player was being seriously considered, but this is just pathetic.
Yes, 2005-2006 will be remembered forever as the Era of Steve Nash Dominance.
All this talk about Nash making his teammates better takes away some of the credit that should go to the GM, coach and the players themselves. The system they run in Phoenix is absolutely perfect for Nash's talents, as they rely on him almost exclusively to create shots for teammates. The coaches deserve a lot of credit for crafting such a good scheme.
Also the GM did a great job surrounding Nash with 3 point shooters, and absolutely stole Diaw from Atlanta. Just because Atlanta had no clue what to do with Boris doesn't mean Nash is the only one to credit for his success.
I just think that Phoenix is a well-oiled machine (on the offensive side anyway) and that while Nash is clearly a critical cog, the talk about how little help he has is ridiculous. His whole system is designed to help.
Compare all this with what Kobe has, as the biggest supporting talent on his team (Odom) doesn't really fit. Odom really needs to control the ball to be effective, just as Kobe does, so this creates problems. They're starting to play well now, but it took about a year and a half just to get comfortable with each other.
As for making teammates better, well just glancing at the rest of the roster and realizing that this is somehow a playoff team will tell you all you need to know about that. I mean Smush Parker is their starting PG, and he doesn't even look half bad playing with Kobe. Smush Parker!
Yes, 2005-2006 will be remembered forever as the Era of Steve Nash Dominance.
People will forever argue: Shaquille O'Neal (1 MVP, BTW) or Steve Nash?
man i hope someone hacked in to it
As much of a spurs fan i am, I have to say this. I think that dirk should get this award cause he has more of an all around game. if he develops a post game the mvp is his for sure. Its hurting me to say this
Well deserved by Nash. I admit I thought without Amare the man child the Suns were doomed but Nash proved me and a lot of other people wrong.
He's a badass. Just admit it, and move on.
I'm buying the "lost amare, johnson ect" argument. Dirk Nowitki lost Steve Nash and Michael Finley, yet lead his team with the same conistent record. Nash loses 1 player and drops 10 games.
What bugs me about Steve Nash winning the MVP is that during big matchups during the regular season, Nash was OUTPLAYED head to head against other top point guards during the season. Jason Kidd dominated him. Chauncey Billups dominated him. Tony Parker dominated him. And this consistenly happened during the season.
I'm surprised that the voters didn't take this into account.
look what that one player did vs sa in the conference finals last year. they lost, and the spurs let him get his to an extent, but he dominated. amare at full strength is a force, almost moreso than anyone in the league. he even developed a mid range game, seemingly only in the playoffs. amare = scary.
I feel your pain. Hey man I like Nowitzki and he's a badass OTHER THAN his personality which doesn't lend itself well to the team concept, IN MY OPINION. Avery Johnson seems to have reeled that in a bit and turned the MAVS more into a TEAM.
But Dirk, he's a great player, without doubt.
I mean seriously, you all don't think that Jason Kidd (even if he is past his *prime*) on the Phoenix Suns team in place of Nash, doesn't do as well or even better? Plus, Kidd plays much better defense than Nash, and rebounds better as well!
I honestly think that if you take any top tier point guard (besides Starbury!) and place him on this current Phoenix Suns team, that you won't see much of a difference record wise. I'm not saying that Nash doesn't *deserve* to win the MVP. But there are definitely better players in the league, and even at the point guard position.
The Suns have a le in their near future. I have no doubt of that. Amare Stoudemire is ....I don't man....yeah...scarey is the right word.
I hate the American sports media (especially ESPN), but I have enough faith in them to believe that they couldn't be stupid enough to all vote for Nash. So here's what I think happened.
Nash garnered more overall points than any other player because people ended up being split over LeBron, Dirk, and Kobe. Just like what Perot did for Clinton and what Nader did for Bush, those three did for Nash. I bet he was second place on everyone's ballot. They were trying to throw him a bone even though no one thought he should be MVP, or maybe they thought he had the second-best season, or whatever. On the other hand, most ballots had one of the other three legitimate candidates as numbers 1, 3 and 4.
Players get 10 points for every first place vote, 7 points for second, 5 points for third, 3 points for fourth and 1 point for fifth. So let's say there are ten ballots (although the number isn't important since it's the proportions that matter). Consider the following hypothetical. Let's say that each of LeBron, Dirk and Kobe get 3 first place votes, with the tenth going to Nash. Let's also say Nash was second on the other nine ballots. Furthermore, let's say LeBron, Dirk and Kobe were third and fourth on three ballots each, and Billups was fifth on every ballot. That tenth ballot can be randomly assigned after first-place. Here are the ballots, and then the point totals:
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Nash 2: Dirk 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
Billups: 10
LeBron: 57
Kobe: 59
Dirk: 61
Nash: 70
So while only 10% of the voters thought Nash should have been the MVP, he still won because he garnered enough points off of being haphazardly ranked second-best on everyone's ballot.
Now I know this is all just wide speculation and probably not very accurate, but it's the only rational explanation for how this turd monkey could have repeated as MVP.
Either that, or the voters all felt sorry for him after he was made the butt of about 5000 tasteless visual jokes in the Nash picture thread
Last edited by conqueso; 04-26-2006 at 10:24 PM.
No he's not. Admit it. I can name 10 point guards in the last 15 years better than he is.
Nash is a .
I hate the American sports media (especially ESPN), but I have enough faith in them to believe that they couldn't be stupid enough to all vote for Nash. So here's what I think happened.
Nash garnered more overall points than any other player because people ended up being split over LeBron, Dirk, and Kobe. Just like what Perot did for Clinton and what Nader did for Bush, those three did for Nash. I bet he was second place on everyone's ballot. They were trying to throw him a bone even though no one thought he should be MVP, or maybe they thought he has the second-best season, or whatever. One the other hand, most ballots had one of the other three legitimate candidates as numbers 1, 3 and 4.
Players get 10 points for every first place vote, 7 points for second, 5 points for third, 3 points for fourth and 1 point for fifth. So let's say there are ten ballots (although the number isn't important since it's the proportions that matter). Consider the following hypothetical. Let's say that each of LeBron, Dirk and Kobe get 3 first place votes, with the tenth going to Nash. Let's also say Nash was second on the other nine ballots. Furthermore, let's say LeBron, Dirk and Kobe were third and fourth on three ballots each, and Billups was fifth on every ballot. That tenth ballot can be randomly assigned after first-place. Here are the ballots, and then the point totals:
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Nash 2: Dirk 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billlups
Billups: 10
LeBron: 57
Kobe: 59
Dirk: 61
Nash: 70
So while only 10% of the voters thought Nash should have been the MVP, he still won because he garnered enough points off of being haphazardly ranked second-best on everyone's ballot.
Now I know this is all just wide speculation and probably not very accurate, but it's the only rationale explanation for how this turd monkey could have repeated as MVP.
Either that, or the voters all felt sorry for him after he was made the butt of about 5000 tasteless visual jokes in the Nash picture thread
No, your theory on that is entirely feasible. We will see when they show the acutal voting tally. A similar instance happened in 1990, when Magic Johnson edged Charles Barkley for the MVP. Charles had more 1st place votes, but was displaced by a lot of second place votes by other post/power players like Karl Malone. Magic had very few 1st place votes, but he did have a lot of second place votes, and ended up winning the MVP. I think what might have happened this year is that you had two players who had statistically two of the most impressive individual seasons in NBA history. Kobe averaging 35+, which hadn't been done since Michael Jordan in 1988 (who won the MVP and Defensive Player of the Year that season!), and Lebron who AVERAGED 31-7-7!!! A player had not done something like that since the days of Oscar Robertson (Jordan might have come close to something like that perhaps). Yet Steve Nash who wasn't that statistically impressive, nor played well on defense, beats both of them out for the MVP!?!? It makes your theory all the more plausible.
Nash is a great player. The fact that you and many other people did a lousy job of predicting their record both years that he's been there doesn't somehow make him the best player in the league.
The MVP isn't an award of the greatest point guards of the last 15 years.
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