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    Your original post might be right, but the above reads pretty convincingly too.
    Exactly...

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    Don't get me wrong, I think it's ridiculous that Bruce hasn't won the ing award yet, but I don't want to take it out on Ben, because he's a heck of a player. The voters are lazy, but what voters aren't?

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    ing candy ass, lazy ass voting is what it comes down to. Jackass voters aren't even watching the games, just checking the first name that comes to mind on defense.

    Ben won this award off his reputation the last couple of years, not on what he did on the court this year - Bowen was better. This award should have an asterick next to it.

    Ben Wallace - Defensive Player of the Year*

    * voted on by a pack of dip s who didn't even watch the games
    Same thing happened with Mutombo. Don't tell me he was better than Mourning all those years.

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    Same thing happened with Mutombo. Don't tell me he was better than Mourning all those years.
    And Mark Eaton. The guy had mobility that made Rasho look like a ballerina, but because he stayed in one place a blocked a lot of shots = defensive player of the year.

    It's also a crime that DRob only won it once. Robinson was probably the second-best defensive center of all time.

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    I know you all are upset that your guy was completely snubbed when he was very deserving. But reading this thread, it seems that all of you, with few exceptions, seem to think that Ben doesn't even deserve to be mentioned as a possible DPOY, let alone the winner of said award.

    I personally agree that Bowen deserved it this year. Many other Piston fans stated the same in various threads here. But it is not so ridiculious that Ben won.

    Unfortunatly, the voters do not see all the games. I dare say members of this board watch and know more about basketball than the voters. They rely on ESPN's sportcenter, and published boxscores. They do not grasp what Bowen does night by night. Likewise though, people think Ben ONLY blocks and rebounds. He IS our defensive scheme, just as Bowen is yours. Most of what Ben does not show up on a boxscore. Also, arguments of Ben can't guard a guard, while Bowen can guard a 7 footer, is just plain stupid. They are different players at different positions, playing defense in a different way. Ben is a help side defender. Bowen is a man to man defender. Saying Ben doesn't guard the quality of player that Bowen does is silly. They defend and guard in a different manner. Bens' job is not to shut down a player, but to close down an area. Bowen is supposed to stick to his man, deny the ball, then force him into bad shots. It's apple and oranges.

    Ben's #'s were down. Parlty age? partly being used differently by Flip? I thought it was Bowens year. If not now, when? To me, saying that Bowen will finish his career NEVER winning a DPOY is just as silly as Nash being a 2 time back-to-back League MVP. It sucks, and they got it wrong. But that doesn't mean Ben is a pice of defender.

    I suppose many are just venting frustrations, and I shouldn't read too much into it. I know you're mad your boy, once again, didn't get the respect he deserves...but don't turn that into hate on Bens game.
    I dont think anyone here is saying it is ridiculous that Ben Wallace won, he deserved a nomination and is a fine defensive player....but it is complete bull that Bowen DIDN'T win - if you get my meaning.

    He has been screwed year in and year out by the voting dolts. I agree with your acessment that they probobly don't have the opportunity to see what Bowen does game after game to the superstars of the NBA.

    If Bowen got his due from the media things might be different but Bowen along with the rest of the team get no respect from the national media and it completely boggles my mind.

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    Within 48 hours, Bowen guarded Mike Bibby and Dirk Nowitski. I ing challenge Ben Wallace to lock down a guard for an entire game, because Bruce has defeinitely locked down 7 footers.


    This is bull . Wallace is good, but he's not good enough to win almost every ing year.

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    I have moved my outrage about this to my own blog:
    http://basketballcommentary.blogspot.com/

    Comments are definitely wanted. But I feel like for the most part, ranting about this here is preaching to the choir. Most people here understand how Bowen was robbed - AGAIN. My only solace is that Bowen could give a about this, and DPOY doesn't mean . Only les do. Bowen's still got the edge on Wallace on that one.
    Supergirl - awesome blog

    I would leave a coment but I'm not going to sign up for blogwhateveritis.com just top leave one comment.

    kudos

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    They had to give detroit some kind of award for a great regular season. Ben is a best team defensive player no one can change a game defensively like ben, althougt bruce deserves it too but if its ben over bruce should be able to live with that.

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    no, that's david cross! i guess everyone has to whine about this because bruce won't? we have a series to play here.

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    WOW, DPOY..............Who gives a damn.......Nobody could guard anybody one on one in the NBA!!!!Thats why you have 4 other guys helping one another...

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    Props to Bowen he is a top defender they should split the award IMO.

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    ^^^I'd go for that.

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    Congrats to Ben, I guess.



    Just kidding. I don't think he deserved it over Bowen, but I can't exactly be mad at that guy. He's a very hard worker and, by all accounts, a good guy. You can't hate on him just because the voters don't watch Spurs games.

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    Bowen needs to lead the league or at least be in the top 5 of something before he is considered as the best at something.

    He's not the DPOY, I don't think Ben Wallace is either.

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    Bowen needs to lead the league or at least be in the top 5 of something before he is considered as the best at something.

    He's not the DPOY, I don't think Ben Wallace is either.

    Who would you pick if you had a vote?

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    Ben Wallace rebounds, and blocks shots.

    He also guards bigs well.


    But he couldn't guard a Dirk, or a Bibby.
    That's wrong. He pressures the ball in the backcourt, and does that mean Brad Miller is bring the ball up the floor? The Pistons are able to switch on screen-and-rolls because he can stand out of the perimeter and guard swingmen, even if it's only for 5 seconds or so before the team rotates him back into the paint. That five seconds can mean the difference between a great defensive sequence or a poor one. And I have one name for you: Kwame Brown. Watch him switch on a screen-roll with Steve Nash and you'll see a guy who picks up a foul or the team defense breaks down. Where Wallace gets most of his steals is in the high post because he plays the handoff on the pick-and-pop. One of his most infamous plays is stealing the ball as Payton comes around a screen. he precedes to dribble end to end and sky for a throw-down slam.

    While it may sound ridiculous, there is a reason why Boston tried to make him a small forward. It's not that he can play the positions (which is why I think a comment like this is unfair). But he has the physical skills to make the team defense better tenfold by doing the little things. He would've been a Hall-of-Fame defensive lineman if he had chosen to pursue football in college.

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    No use use trying to sway Spur fan. Those who really know basketball appreciate all the little things he does on both ends to help the Pistons win games. Saying all he does is stand in the paint, like Shaq, shows you are guilty of the same thing you lament the voters for: not watching the games. And the talk of Manu being a better "real" defender is laughable(blog)...

    Most Spurs fans see nothing wrong with Ben winning it, just the injustice of BB never having won the award...

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    Eh, I don't have a problem with Bowen not winning. He deserves one before he retires, but Ben Wallace ain't no chump. Wallace is a better defender than those centers who won that could only block shots like Zo, Mutombo, etc.

    Bowen and BWallace both had to work their way into the league and they've earned what they have now. Besides, Bowen can take out his anger on the basketball court. If he had won, that'd give more incentive to other players to try to light him up.

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    Eh, I don't have a problem with Bowen not winning. He deserves one before he retires, but Ben Wallace ain't no chump. Wallace is a better defender than those centers who won that could only block shots like Zo, Mutombo, etc.

    Bowen and BWallace both had to work their way into the league and they've earned what they have now. Besides, Bowen can take out his anger on the basketball court. If he had won, that'd give more incentive to other players to try to light him up.
    Great Post post of the month IMO.

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    It's an insult to Bowen, because Bowen is an amazingly hard worker, and takes pride in his specialist status...At least Ben has a similar background in his game, so it's not bad that he got it, and not someone like Artest..

    Oh well, it doesn't validate Bowen's talents anyway, the people who voted are easily swayed by "reputation" and Bowen's rep as dirty is sketchy in their eyes.

    Anyone know if Pop threw in a comment about Bowen being jipped again, in support of his guy?
    When it will be announced Pop will say his words.


    It's an insult to Bowen.
    He is working hard and the NBA does not appreciate what he is doing on the floor through all those years. That's just wrong.
    last year you could say, ohh okay that's not right but you know it was close.
    Now it was not that close and why they didn't gave it to Bruce?

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    Eh, I don't have a problem with Bowen not winning. He deserves one before he retires, but Ben Wallace ain't no chump. Wallace is a better defender than those centers who won that could only block shots like Zo, Mutombo, etc.

    Bowen and BWallace both had to work their way into the league and they've earned what they have now. Besides, Bowen can take out his anger on the basketball court. If he had won, that'd give more incentive to other players to try to light him up.
    The excact same post you could write a year ago

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    I hope that Bowen will someday win defensive player of the year award, but he is aging so the possibility is slim.

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