The evolution of Mathematics

[TreeWhisperer]

[QUOTE=xrayzebra]and then you said:

[QUOTE=TreeWhisperer]I'm pretty sure I'm not the one that needs reading comprehension since I'm not the one that assumed things that weren't even apparant in my posts. It's really sad that it's automatically thought that I'm not white just because I stand up for people that are different from myself. And I want to go into politics because it needs someone to help end corruption and make it a helpful thing again. As far as me supposedly posting under two names, it's just another instance of you making unwarranted assumptions. Again, anyone who actually says dimm-o-crap has an IQ of like 32. Nice job on making yourself look legally re ed.

Lets see I went from an IQ of 42 to an IQ of 32 in two post. That's
moving. You gotta be a dimm-o-crap, don't like the word, well that is
what they are. Dimm and full of crap. Just like you. You really do need
to stay in this forum and practice. Calling people idiots doesn't make them so.
Oh, I know most of your instructors in poly-sci tell you that, but it don't
make it so. Matter of fact most of them are what I call dimm-o-craps or
progressives or liberals and believe in humanity and all that crap. That
is what they say, but it don't make it so. They only believe that they
have the right to judge what is right or wrong. Oh, I love the fact that
you are going to stop all that corruption. Are you stopping it in your
college? Like some folks are more equal than others? That their are
special scholarships for some folks and not others. That some folks get
pushed to the back of the line because they are male and white but
are more qualified than those who took their place. I thought not,
because you think that is the way it should be. Well let me tell you
a little something. That isn't the real world. No one out here in the
wild gets nothing for nothing except for the government handouts.
Well I have to go now, my time, here at the old folks home, at the
computer lab is about up. But rest assured I will keep you in my
thoughts. I feel so much more at east knowing youngn's like you
are going into politics to stop all that corruption. I am sure Ms.
Pelosi feels much the same and will most certainly welcome you
into the party. As soon as she gets through with her hearings on
the impeachment of Bush for corruption. Shsssh, don't tell her about
William Jefferson, they aren't speaking. I will be looking in the paper
for you demonstration about making all things equal at your college
for all students regardless of race or religion or nation of origin.

Yeeeeah... I think my wonderful fiance said pretty much everything I would have liked to say, so I'm officially not wasting a second more of my time on you. It's been.... interesting. BTW, it isn't my fault your IQ drops by the minute. In fact, I'm ignoring you from now on because I'm afraid that, just by reading your statements, mine will also drop. Sooo... adios!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Funny, the guy from Germany speaks English... maybe cuz they aren't lazy asses like Americans.

No, the guy from Germany speaks English because anyone around the world in any country that gets an international business degree learns English because it is considered the language of the business world. I'm sorry this is lost on you.

It doesn't have anything to do with Amerikans being lazy, it has to do with the rest of the world recognizing what country makes the world turn economically speaking and being smart about their educational process.

BTW, it really doesn't help your cause to bring up people from other countries that speak English when almost no one from here speaks German or any other language.

I learned Russian in college, so what's your point exactly? Maybe when you get out from whatever ignorant ass rock you're living under right now and get a job in the real world, you'll recognize what some of us are preaching - english is the language of the world economy, and no amount of short-sighted, ignorant grand standing from you will change that fact.

[turambar85]

Aggie, I think you are missing the point juuuuust a little bit. I don't believe that she is trying to say that people learn English just for their benefit, or that everybody here must learn another language as a polite gesture to the other nations. It seems that she is saying that people need to calm down and not get so upset about the prospect of another language creeping into mainstream America. English will remain the most common language, but having another language which most people speak would not be the end of the world as we know it. And good lord thats a little high and mighty....America is not the economic capital of the world anymore, or at least not the same way it was in the past. Other nations, especially in Asia, are swiftly catching up...and as I have heard, China has actually, through trade and loans, obtained more U.S currency than the United States actually has...and if they were to flood the market with this said currency we would be in a state worse than the great depression. But this is not the point. Also, shut the up. She never said one ing word to you...so it would be wonderful if you would wait to be insulted to start throwing insults around. Good lord grow the up. English may seem to be the language of the world economy, but this perch is placed very precariously on a very iffy mountain. Everything right now is on the tip of a knife, and America hasa great chance of being replaced by any number of countries over the next decade due to either internal problems and/or blowback from any number of things we have done in the international community, or from another country, such as China, simply maintaining its growth. English is not that important in the future, and the new world order isn't led by 1 superpower, and if it is, it won't be America. Take the time to read the entire list of posts if it helps you get a better understanding of the contextual basis of the statements which you are criticizing, as well as to get a better grasp on the beliefs and outlook of the person you are insulting. Flying into a random conversation with your fists in the air doesn't usually make you look good, I promise.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I have to 'wait to be insulted' to respond to her stupidity? She singled out a post that was made in response to me. Further, it's a ing discussion board. People are allowed to respond to anything in the thread.

Finally, one of the great things about the English language is paragraphs. I hear you don't even have to speak good English to use them.

English is not that important in the future, and the new world order isn't led by 1 superpower, and if it is, it won't be America. Take the time to read the entire list of posts if it helps you get a better understanding of the contextual basis of the statements which you are criticizing, as well as to get a better grasp on the beliefs and outlook of the person you are insulting.

Look, I'm sorry you're a stupid . In case you missed it, I work out in the real world, and deal with international (that means someone outside of Mexico) clients.

I'm telling you what's going on in the real world, as opposed to your economics class down at SAC or ACC or wherever the you think you're getting all this insight from.

I read every single post in this thread before I posted back on page 2. I understand perfectly well the ignorant beliefs and outlook of the person I 'insulted.'

I find it comical that you consider my response an insult. It's not an insult. It's a fact based on observation of the real business world of which I'm apart of.

Let me ask you, what are your credentials? Working in international business? Got clients in multiple countries? Talk with clients in multiple countries?

From what I've seen so far there's one person on this thread who is trying to come off with her ivory tower-esque 'I'm going to change the world when I get to make laws' bull .

I'm here to tell her, you, and every other college retread that thinks they know it all that you guys don't know .

I don't know it all either, but I can promise unless you're a part of a company doing a quarter of a billion dollars business a year, a significant portion of which is international, you have no ing clue what you're talking about and that I do know more than you.

How's that for insight?

[xrayzebra]

^^Now I wonder why IQ she is going to assign to you. I mean, like, after all
you only know what you are talking about in "real" terms. And she is such
a "moderate" I'm sure she must know all the answers. Her boyfriend will more
than likely tell you what she thinks. I'm not sure you knows how. Or so it seems
by the post he makes for her. Well here comes the attendant, guess my time
is up on the computer.....LOL Great post Aggie.

[turambar85]

Well...I don't exactly know what to say. I guess I will start by saying that single sentences no more cons ute as paragraphs that the clunky behemoth which I threw onto the board. Then I guess that is all I can think of to say because it is hard to argue with somebody who can't/won't say anything to refute what you have to say other than "I have been in the real world" and "unless you work for a billion dollar company I know more." Well, I suppose you need to take more time off of that work to figure out how to argue in the real world. Saying that I have seen it and you haven't is like saying "you're young, you just can't understand."

Jesus, say something to actually counter the arguments given. Maybe that company you work for can get you a spreadsheet or a manual on how to go point by point, or to use rational logic in your defense. If not, perhaps you can come down to the SAC or ACC and take some kinda class...maybe I can find a good tutor. And don't think I'm doing it out of my own kindness, I just think it would make things on here a little more interesting to get rid of one more person who uses abstract thoughts and principles or cliche responses to make an argument.

I don't believe you have said one thing that somebody could actually argue, or that you could back up with hard facts. Hows that for insight?

[turambar85]

Xray...what the are you talking about. That post doesn't make one bit of bloody sense. For the love of God, would people please make arguments based on fact or reasoning rather than stupid judgement calls based on what they think that can extrapolate from a few random posts. And I did not make any posts for her because she needed me to, she could easily run the floor with the likes or you, I did so because she was busy with her grandparents and I will not have ignorant people like oli assuming that her lack of response is because the pathetic excuse for debate offered on this forum is too much for her to handle.

[TreeWhisperer]

I have to 'wait to be insulted' to respond to her stupidity? She singled out a post that was made in response to me. Further, it's a ing discussion board. People are allowed to respond to anything in the thread.

Finally, one of the great things about the English language is paragraphs. I hear you don't even have to speak good English to use them.



Look, I'm sorry you're a stupid . In case you missed it, I work out in the real world, and deal with international (that means someone outside of Mexico) clients.

I'm telling you what's going on in the real world, as opposed to your economics class down at SAC or ACC or wherever the you think you're getting all this insight from.

I read every single post in this thread before I posted back on page 2. I understand perfectly well the ignorant beliefs and outlook of the person I 'insulted.'

I find it comical that you consider my response an insult. It's not an insult. It's a fact based on observation of the real business world of which I'm apart of.

Let me ask you, what are your credentials? Working in international business? Got clients in multiple countries? Talk with clients in multiple countries?

From what I've seen so far there's one person on this thread who is trying to come off with her ivory tower-esque 'I'm going to change the world when I get to make laws' bull .

I'm here to tell her, you, and every other college retread that thinks they know it all that you guys don't know .

I don't know it all either, but I can promise unless you're a part of a company doing a quarter of a billion dollars business a year, a significant portion of which is international, you have no ing clue what you're talking about and that I do know more than you.

How's that for insight?

It's really sad how narrowminded you are. He is coming from a global well-being view, you are coming from a business view. Your so-called "credentials" do not make you special. Big whooo you have a job. Here's a cookie! We spend our time trying to understand the world as a whole, which you obviously can't do. We also spend our time on philosophy and expanding our views as a whole. Also, don't bother posting if all you have to offer is name-calling, insults, and ignorant narrow-mindedness.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well, I suppose you need to take more time off of that work to figure out how to argue in the real world. Saying that I have seen it and you haven't is like saying "you're young, you just can't understand."

I can argue in real world just fine. Every day I pick up the phone, anywhere from hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars are on the line based on what I have to say. Judging by the raise and bigger office I just got, I'd like to think I'm doing alright

Jesus, say something to actually counter the arguments given. Maybe that company you work for can get you a spreadsheet or a manual on how to go point by point, or to use rational logic in your defense.

Look, I'm really sorry you're such a moron. I thought I did a great job countering the ivory tower "America isn't important, English isn't important in the business world" bull .

My company did a little north of $120 million in international business last year. And every business deal was done in English, from the phone calls to the in-person sales pitches to the conference calls to the language on the little pieces of paper us big kids call a contract.

What part of that isn't a counter to your "English isn't important because my stupid ass says so" bull ?

I just think it would make things on here a little more interesting to get rid of one more person who uses abstract thoughts and principles or cliche responses to make an argument.

Abstract thoughts? I'm putting my company's bottom line down. That's a little more than abstract. You do know the meaning of abstract, right? And what's cliche about my responses?

My company deals with politicians and government en ies, from your local county government here in good ol' Texas all the way on up to some folks as far away as Moscow, Brisbaine, Paris, London, and Jakarta. If those are too abstract for you, I hear google maps can help you out.

I don't believe you have said one thing that somebody could actually argue, or that you could back up with hard facts. Hows that for insight?

Look, everything I have stated are *facts*. I know it sucks for you, because you're right - you can't argue those.

Anyway, looking forward to more of your cold, hard "English isn't important because my SAC professor from Mexico said so" drivel.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's really sad how narrowminded you are. He is coming from a global well-being view, you are coming from a business view. Your so-called "credentials" do not make you special. Big whooo you have a job.

Again, what are your credentials? Where is this 'global' view coming from? I've seen my company do business in 14 countries, 15 if you call Canada a global country What are you basing your observations on? Econ class? The Express-News. Gimme some facts damnit, instead if your pissant drivel about English not being important for the future of the world.

If English isn't important for the future, the world economy is in a world of hurt because every university from the shores of the Atlantic in Europe all the way to the shores of the Pacific in Russia are teaching English as a second language because of the world economy. Their decisions in both primary and secondary ins utions of higher learning would seem to contradict your 'expertise' in this area.

Here's a cookie!

Heed your own advice.

Also, don't bother posting if all you have to offer is name-calling, insults, and ignorant narrow-mindedness.

We spend our time trying to understand the world as a whole, which you obviously can't do.

I obviously can't do? I graduated with a degree in world history. I had minors in math and international studies, with areas of expertise in Russian, Islam, and eastern Europe.

Wanna try again?

We also spend our time on philosophy and expanding our views as a whole.

Coulda fooled me. You seem to have taken a 'my view is the only view that matters, the rest of you are just ignorant' stance in this thread. It's time for YOU to expand your views.

I can at least understand where you're coming from, I'm just telling you that what's going on in the real world doesn't jive with your reality.

And as for the whole 'it's just the business world that feels the way you do' thing, I got news for you - the business world IS what makes this world go around. The rest is secondary.

But if that's not enough, I'll trust what a couple of close friends from college had to say, and they didn't come from the business world.

One was a grad student from outside of Paris, France, and my roommate for a year. Another was my TA for two of the four semesters of Russian language that I took at A&M (and she grew up in what was Czechoslavakia).

Both of their 'world views' jive what I've detailed in this thread from my experiences from the business world. And hopefully their opinions count for something - the Frenchman knew English, French, and German, the Russian girl knew English, Russian, and broken Korean.

But what the do they know, we've got some UTSA business majors here telling us that we're all wrong

[Extra Stout]

America is not the economic capital of the world anymore, or at least not the same way it was in the past.

False.

Other nations, especially in Asia, are swiftly catching up...and as I have heard, China has actually, through trade and loans, obtained more U.S currency than the United States actually has...and if they were to flood the market with this said currency we would be in a state worse than the great depression.

As would they.

English may seem to be the language of the world economy, but this perch is placed very precariously on a very iffy mountain. Everything right now is on the tip of a knife, and America hasa great chance of being replaced by any number of countries over the next decade due to either internal problems and/or blowback from any number of things we have done in the international community, or from another country, such as China, simply maintaining its growth.

The United States could disappear tomorrow, and English would remain the language of international business. It will take a long time for another "lingua franca" to come into circulation.

English is not that important in the future,

Wow. I'm glad you 21-year-olds are around to explain the world to us.

[Extra Stout]

AH, you need to understand that what you experience in the real world doesn't carry near as much weight as what a professor at the University of Tennessee says during a seminar class. They are all-knowing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

English may seem to be the language of the world economy, but this perch is placed very precariously on a very iffy mountain. Everything right now is on the tip of a knife, and America hasa great chance of being replaced by any number of countries over the next decade due to either internal problems and/or blowback from any number of things we have done in the international community, or from another country, such as China, simply maintaining its growth.

I missed this earlier. Every country in Europe teaches English as a second language at their universities. The majority of schools in Europe and the near East also teach english in grade school so they are ready when they get to college.

In fact, a lot of students in Europe speak English better than kids here who get the ebonics version or are stuck in a home full of spanish speaking adults and never learn the language properly.

AH, you need to understand that what you experience in the real world doesn't carry near as much weight as what a professor at the University of Tennessee says during a seminar class. They are all-knowing.

Good point, theory obviously trumps experience and observation.

[Extra Stout]

I missed this earlier. Every country in Europe teaches English as a second language at their universities. The majority of schools in Europe and the near East also teach english in grade school so they are ready when they get to college.

In fact, a lot of students in Europe speak English better than kids here who get the ebonics version or are stuck in a home full of spanish speaking adults and never learn the language properly.

They don't learn English only because the U.S. is the current economic power. They learn English because the EU needs some kind of common language, and linguistically English wins on the merits -- it relates both to Germanic and Romance languages, with the precision and flexibility of the former, and the verbal richness of the latter.

It is easy for a German or a Swede to learn English. The grammar is a simplified form of their native tongues. The basic vocabulary is familiar. A Frenchman or a Spaniard has to work harder to learn the grammar and non-phonetic spelling, but still, English is loaded with Romance cognates. It's the best available compromise language. The Slavs are kind of screwed, but they're late to the party anyway.

I doubt they'll be switching to Mandarin Chinese anytime soon.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Oh, I'm sure if our friends Turambar and TreeWhisperer think everyone's going to switch to Chinese, Latin, or Pig Latin, anything but English

[scott]

My company did a little north of $120 million in international business last year. And every business deal was done in English, from the phone calls to the in-person sales pitches to the conference calls to the language on the little pieces of paper us big kids call a contract.

My company did about $100 billion in international business last year, and deals were done in 10+ languages. My is bigger than your .

[MannyIsGod]

Oh my. You guys are reaching for why English is taught in Europe. There's one reason, and its the United States.

All that linguistics relationship crap is bull .

[scott]

And now a serious question. What, exactly, does make english the official language solve?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

My company did about $100 billion in international business last year, and deals were done in 10+ languages. My is bigger than your .

Good for you and your company. Doesn't change the fact that universities in Europe and elsewhere teach english to their business students hoping to be part of the world economy.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm going to make my own language, and when I rule the world you will all speak it. es.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nice Manny. Manglish, coming to a language classroom near you.

[xrayzebra]

Aggie, you may have overloaded their brain.

100 Billion scott? Wow, but how does that make your bigger. You deal in
porno goods and sevices? And Manny wants to know if your hiring.

[Extra Stout]

And now a serious question. What, exactly, does make english the official language solve?

It would serve absolutely no purpose that I can think of.

[scott]

It would serve absolutely no purpose that I can think of.

Damn, you busted my late night typo! For the sake of comedy, I won't dare edit it.

Do you have a serious answer?

[Extra Stout]

Damn, you busted my late night typo! For the sake of comedy, I won't dare edit it.

Do you have a serious answer?

It would serve no purpose of which I can think. Seriously.

Some people for whatever reason are worried that they someday will find themselves in their own country unable to communicate, because the dominant language has changed. While I don't believe that fear to be rational, neither do I find such people to be bigots.