Trading Tony Parker (hypothetical)

[ducks]

I do not think kori asked pop about tp's shooting

it was another reporter

[Rescueone]

Rescueone - Pop told Tony to shoot AT LEAST 25 times a game in the Dallas series. When I asked Pop a question about Tony's shooting after one of the early games of the series, he said that Tony needed to shoot even more, not less.

If you have a problem with the gameplan, then blame Pop not Tony.

PDBM - You have repeatedly said that Tony faded in these playoffs. Tony averaged 21 ppg in the postseason, including 20 ppg vs the Mavs. He only had one bad game vs the Mavs with 12 points. To say he faded is just ing stupid. He was playing with 2 badly bruised thighs and a bad groin pull.

Another people don't get about Tony is that the Spurs game plan is to run the ball through MANU in the 4th quarters. So if Tony doesn't get a lot of points in the 4th, that's because of the system, not because of Tony.

If anyone faded in these playoffs, I guess it was Manu considering that he turned over the ball in several critical situations and when Pop screamed NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL in the huddle in Game 7, Manu fouled.

I know y'all hate Tony but it's really stupid.

Tony didn't cost the Spurs the series. If it wasn't for Tony, the Spurs wouldn't have gotten to 7.

Rebounding and Defense caused the Spurs the series.

O, She's on the inside Duck

[Slinkyman]

i dont think any team in the leagu would want a overrated pg who cant shoot. lets trade him to the pistons for delfino+ben wallace+draft pick

Every single team in this league would want Tony Parker, every single one. He's still just 24 and has made improvements every single season and right now he's already an ALL STAR and probably one of the 5 best PGs in the NBA and he still has room for improvement.

[EVAY]

You guys who think that Pop really didn't want Tony to shoot as much as he did in the postseason are really missing what Pop was trying to accomplish, IMO. Dallas was sticking to our three point shooters like glue, and so Duncan could get his shots, but our perimeter players were being stymied, very effectively, by Dallas' perimeter defenders. (my distaste for Cuban doesn't blind me to a well run game plan by the Mavs players). Pop was trying to get Tony to get some of the perimeter defenders to start leaving their guys so that some positions on the perimeter might open up and we could get some offense going. If Tony's offense could draw enough attention, then Dallas' defensive game plan goes down the tubes, and we can win, maybe.

What Pop didn't count on, I think, is how much Avery got his guys to do just what he wanted them to do, and Avery knew that Pop would be stubborn enough to keep his own game plan in place, and that as long as that happened, the Mavs had a good chance to win. Then, of course, the refs....

People should really give it up on Tony....He has been the best or second best scorer, percentage-wise, on the team for the last TWO years, and as far as his relative lower number of assists than other star pgs, our offense is not geared to get him assists. I've talked about that in other threads and in other times, so I won't repeat it here, but folks would do well to understand the game plan behind the stats that they fuss about.

[ploto]

2005-2006 San Antonio Spurs FG%

1. Tony Parker 54.8%
2. Rasho Nesterovic 51.5%

But still everyone's favorite scapegoats.

[toosmallshoes]

I think we should trade Tony Parker for Magic Johnson and Bill Russel. And we should trade Tim Duncan for a spork from Taco Bell. And we should also trade Greg Popovich for an M-16 so we can shoot a piniata in half. Then we should become the president of Mars!!!

[Mavs_man_41]

IMO, i don't know why you would trade tony parker for anyone except MAYBE chris paul. This is only because paul is very young, already good enough to contribute, and has GREAT potential.

[Mavschick]

Parker just gets better and better each year (well, he still needs to work on his FT shooting). For a franchise PG, he has a reasonable contract which has him signed for 5 more years for I think. Therefore, if it gets to the point where he's not happy with the team (which is unlikely since SA will be a contender for years to come as long as Duncan and Manu are on the team and they're also signed for a few more years), you can bet SA will do all it can to make him happy.

[SPARKY]

Don't mind, Spurs fans trade TP every summer.

[FromWayDowntown]

(well, he still needs to work on his FT shooting).

The overtime clangs in Game 4 aside, the 70% he shot this season was a marked improvement over the mid-60's he shot during the 2004-05 season the 2005 playoffs. The 81% he shot during the playoffs was a bigger improvement, still. For what it's worth, he was 76.5% from February on in this past regular season and then 81% in the playoffs. As with his jumpshot, it appears that the shot doctoring is significantly improving his free throw shooting, too.

If he had a trustworthy backup who could spell him for more like 12-15 minutes every night without the Spurs taking on water, Parker's overall effectiveness would improve even more, one would think.

[SPARKY]

It's up to Beno to make this offseason a success.

[NCaliSpurs]

Tony's biggest weakness right now is his slight frame. One of the reasons he had a few down games this postseason was that he was beat up. His slight frame also prevents him from being effective against guarding a lot of the bigger type point guards. Given an extra 10 lbs of muscle, maybe we see a slightly more resilient Tony with a little bit more chops on defense.

[1Parker1]

2005-2006 San Antonio Spurs FG%

1. Tony Parker 54.8%
2. Rasho Nesterovic 51.5%

But still everyone's favorite scapegoats.

That's a little misleading, how many shots was Rasho's FG% based on?

[NCaliSpurs]

You need to change your sig 1Parker1....

[exstatic]

I don't know what ing series YOU were watching, rescue, but the only Spurs open were Tim and Parker. The rest were blanketed, by design. They were going to allow Tim and Tony whatever they wanted, Tim inside, and Tony on the perimeter. THAT'S why Pop gave him the green light.

[Rescueone]

I don't know what ing series YOU were watching, rescue, but the only Spurs open were Tim and Parker. The rest were blanketed, by design. They were going to allow Tim and Tony whatever they wanted, Tim inside, and Tony on the perimeter. THAT'S why Pop gave him the green light.

BULL !! You had your eyes glued to tony ass that's why you and tony missed wide open wing players. I watch the entire game within the game. You should give it a try. It might open you up to see how basketball is supposed to be played. If they were blanketing everyone why did Manu hit that wide open 3 to bring them within 1, or Finley drive form the outside and dunk repeatedly. That's a LAME ASS EXCUSE! By design my ass! So Dallas is now the ultimate defensive team? Everyone was standing awaiting a pass from Parker. Don't you remember the consecutive misses? How did they make you feel? Maybe give someone else a look after the fourth miss in a row right? You trying to tell me he's this supposely "All Star" but he can't see the whole court? But he was given the green light to be a ball hog by POP so was whats done is done and that's it! It's the off season now!

[NCaliSpurs]

BULL !!...I watch the entire game within the game.

Are you Joey Crawford?

[Rescueone]

Are you Joey Crawford?

NOPE just the average person who played ball before who knows what to look for!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You don't trade 24 yo All-Stars on reasonable contracts who still have room to grow (ie. TP) for "decent" anything!

See: Barkley, C for Hornacek, Long and whoever the else it was. There are many other examples, just can't think of one right now.

Seriously, if you even think about trading TP it's for another all-star PG... and really, why do we need to do that?

He was NOT the reason we lost to Dallas. He played extremely well given his injuries ( , the kid was waaaaaay beat-up - he didn't choke, it was remarkable he could play at all!).

The reasons we lost to Dallas: small-ball; one missed FT in game 7. That's it.

[rascal]

Tony Parker will never be traded as long as Pop is around. I've been saying this since Parker came into the league. Parker is Pop's prized draft pick. Since Pop hasn't done well with free agents or trades he has to hold on to his successful moves and that's the good draft pick steals in Parker and Manu (big reason why both are locked up long term). I don't see either of these guys ever being traded as long as Pop is around.

[SPARKY]

I remember when Spurs fans wanted to trade TP and start Beno.

[FromWayDowntown]

Tony Parker will never be traded as long as Pop is around. I've been saying this since Parker came into the league. Parker is Pop's prized draft pick. Since Pop hasn't done well with free agents or trades he has to hold on to his successful moves and that's the good draft pick steals in Parker and Manu (big reason why both are locked up long term). I don't see either of these guys ever being traded as long as Pop is around.

That Duncan kid that Pop drafted back in 1997 was a pretty good pick too.

I don't think the unwillingness to part with Tony Parker is about Pop's pride; I think it's about realizing what's good for the basketball team and understanding that there are no kid points in the NBA who are as good as Parker is, and those that are close haven't necessarily shown the same upside for growth that Parker has during his career. Plus, Parker is now pretty well battle tested and it's not an easy thing to find points in the NBA that can deal effectively with late playoffs pressure. Pop has one and the kid can play beyond that, so why on Earth would you give him up, regardless of how it was that you acquired him?

[Spurologist]

I remember when Spurs fans wanted to trade TP and start Beno.

I also remember the beno > tp threads

[rascal]

That Duncan kid that Pop drafted back in 1997 was a pretty good pick too.

I don't think the unwillingness to part with Tony Parker is about Pop's pride; I think it's about realizing what's good for the basketball team and understanding that there are no kid points in the NBA who are as good as Parker is, and those that are close haven't necessarily shown the same upside for growth that Parker has during his career. Plus, Parker is now pretty well battle tested and it's not an easy thing to find points in the NBA that can deal effectively with late playoffs pressure. Pop has one and the kid can play beyond that, so why on Earth would you give him up, regardless of how it was that you acquired him?

Anyone could have drafted Duncan. This does not show anything special by management like the draft steals of Parker and Manu.

Parker and manu are the best moves or acquisitions Pop and Co. have made. They will not trade them even if a better option became available. All people in positions of authoriy have pride, confidence and even some arrogance. Modesty and humility are not virtures often seen in people with positions of authority.

Pop will not trade his Boys.

[SPARKY]

Anyone could have drafted Duncan. This does not show anything special by management like the draft steals of Parker and Manu.

Parker and manu are the best moves or acquisitions Pop and Co. have made. They will not trade them even if a better option became available. All people in positions of authoriy have pride, confidence and even some arrogance. Modesty and humility are not virtures often seen in people with positions of authority.

Pop will not trade his Boys.

Anyone could have drafted Duncan. How many could have convinced him to re-sign? Twice?