NO HE WAS NOT IN THE ARMY
YOU FOOLISH MAV TROLL
my mistake, he was in the navy. And i resent being called a troll, i never trolled this website, i signed up as soon as i found it. This is a great website you guys have here, much more traffic than mavstalk. Im just here to talk basketball, i have never said one negative thing about your team, and dont deserve to be called a troll.NO HE WAS NOT IN THE ARMY
YOU FOOLISH MAV TROLL
LOL. You'd think someone would realize with a nickname like "Admiral" which branch he was in. But that's okay. No reason to yell troll just because someone had it wrong though.NO HE WAS NOT IN THE ARMY
YOU FOOLISH MAV TROLL
Ease up on the throttle Ducks. I'll take Mavs fans thinking he was in the Coast Guard over the idiot Mavs that think he's soft. That's easily remedied, and far less annoying than the stupidity shown by the REAL trolls.NO HE WAS NOT IN THE ARMY
YOU FOOLISH MAV TROLL
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Ewing
Robinson
Garnett
I'd put Shaq at #1 and Hakeem at 1a but it's very close.
How about Bill Russell is added. How could you forget him?
But add if you wish.
I'm still waiting for whottt to do his usual schooling of forum newbies...
Especially that post where he shows all of the boxscores of head to head matchups (with O'Neal, Ewing, and Hakeem) before Robinson's back injury....
I find it extremely laughable that anyone would rank Ewing above the Admiral....
Equally laughable that somebody would rank Duncan ahead of Shaq or Dream.
Hardware baby....
But what has Ewing ever won???
I don't know who is better than who, but I do know Garnett and Ewing are the ones that don't belong.
David Robinson was by far the most athletic and was a total freak, but needed Duncan to put him into le contention. It should be noted he was always surrounded with less talent than Garnett has. He was the best defensive center ever and probably for the longest time too. Even when he retired he was one of the premier defenders.
Hakeem, for the 2-3 years he caught fire, had the most skill and the best footwork of them all. Duncan quickly matched that level when he arrived into the league, but has left a lot of the deftness and footwork in the past. Hakeem led his team to two les, but his teams were stacked. Even though at varying stages of their career, all of these players played important roles in winning: Clyde Drexler, Kenny Smith, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Mario Elie, Otis Thorpe. Hakeem was great one on one, but it was impossible for other teams to double team, because the rest of the team was lethal.
Shaquille will be the most dominant center ever. No player could ever stop his over powering game. Very underrated defensively when on the ball. If the Heat do win the championship, he will have won the le with two different teams, but with the aid of two elite superstar shooting guards. In his prime, the most unguardable player one-on-one.
Tim Duncan began his career with the promise of being better than all of the aforementioned, but toned down for a variety of reasons. Most could undeniably cite the emergence of Manu and Tony, injuries, and the changing of how he played the game individually as factors. Nevertheless, the driving force behind three championship teams. The jury is out on whether Tim finishes the last 1/3 of his career strong.
I'm not disputing that Robinson was better than Ewing, in fact I agree with you. I was saying that it is ridiculous to put Duncan ahead of Shaq or Dream.
he's right up there, and i would think another great season or two would put him abreast, if not ahead of them both. if shaq wins another ring, then duncan would have to as well. i wouldn't say it is ridiculous, i would say it was premature. he's only 30.
No, it is ridiculous to prematurely say he's better than Shaq and Dream. Say he's better when he has actually earned it, instead of making rankings and statements based on what he may or may not accomplish in the future. He isn't there yet, and honestly nobody knows if he'll ever get to that level, so it's ridiculous to say he is.
1 or 2 more seasons you think will solidify him next to Shaq? That is also a ridiculous statement. Shaq is on his way to his 6th finals appearance, and possibly his 4th ring. Shaq was an MVP canidate in his 13th season as a pro, and very easily could get another ring in his 14th season as a pro. I in no way see Duncan being as good as Shaq was last year when he's in his 13th season, I also don't see him getting to the finals 3 more times before he's done.
Last edited by BAkriD; 06-05-2006 at 05:29 PM.
every time he has been there, he as won. one or two more great seasons, not seasons like he had this year. i'm saying it's premature since duncan hasn't been in the league 10 years. he could end up being better, and he's certainly one of the best power forwards the game has seen. duncan is a perennial MVP candidate, but you are right, there is no reason to assume he will be for the rest of his career. it's also kinda pointless to continue my argument since you seem to think duncan can never be considered as good as shaq. that's just your personal bias.
It only took 41 posts for someone to get it right.
hegamboa and others...thanks for the props. Yes I could attempt to make the Mavfan smarter, but really why should I do anything nice for Mavfan at this point? If I start trying to smarten up every dumb Mavsfan I come across...accck the thought is simply overwhelming, we're talking two or three lifetimes of non-stop charity work here...It drains me just thinking about it.
Besides...where does a Mav fan get off calling anyone soft? Ultimate Irony.
Nope..no free education for this dumbass, I've already done enough charity work on dumbass Mavsfans and frankly they deserve nothing more than to be left stupid. This one, I think I'll just let him continue living stupid. It'll be good for laughs if nothing else.
You ing child. How many games did you actually watch him play?
ing azzclown.
Wilt was the most dominant big man in the history of the NBA. He mad Snaq look like a child, especially on defense and the boards.
Shaquille O'Neal #2
David Robinson #4
Patrick Ewing #5
Tim Duncan #3
Hakeem Olajawon #1
Kevin Garnett #6
For top two I've seen in the past 15 years, I'd say it'd be the Dream and Shaq....
and I guess Shaq equals or (somewhat Surpasses). Too bad Everyone was rooting against him but he was pretty much unstoppable for that 3-peat. Same can be said about Hakeem but in a different way, the Blocks, Steals, Athletic post up moves, extremely skilled hands (A center that steals?)...he was insanely quick for a big man. A totally unique player. It sucks that he had to get his explosiveness curtailed from the blood clot related disease in his knees.
Then Robinson, I barely remember his monster game
Then Ewing
Then I don't really want to include Timmy, and Garnett doesn't really play like a big man as much as Tim does at PF, just a unique seven foot wonder.
Because Tim's an extremely unselfish, and willing to defer, his stats will probably be somewhat deflated by the end of his career. I don't really care if his individual numbers aren't spectacular. I'll be fine if Tim outbeats all these big men just by having many,many, many more rings than them.
Based on that list
THE DREAM
Made Shaq look like a child? Get real. The only way he made Shaq look like a child is through statistics, which were absolutely over-inflated because he played against 6-foot nothings. Consider the compe ion, Shaq would have killed those little turds he played against too, maybe worse. Wilt's stats started to come back down to earth once some real compe ion started showing up in the league. IMO, I would say Shaq would have the edge in that matchup.
wow alot of people IMO are rating duncan too high.
all time greatest big men my list would be
1. Kareem (the man won on every freakin level
2. Wilt (complete domination)
3. Russell (the man has more rings than fingers)
now is where the debate begins
4) hakeem (the man was a beast, unstoppable, made Drob and shaq look like fools)
5) shaq (has taken 3 different teams to the NBA finals)
6) DRob (even though he didnt win a ring without duncan, he was a freak. iam sure he would give duncan alot of problems if they matched up)
7) Duncan ( nuff said)
8) malone
9) ewing
10) garnett
iam sure iam leaving someone major out of this list but iam too lazy to check nba.com's greatest players list to see who would make this list.
I think I'd put Hakeem at the top. Followed by David. Then Shaq. Tim and KG aren't really big men, so I'm not ranking them, although if I was they'd still follow those 3. We're talking prime right, not entire careers?
As for the Mavs troll who said David won nothing without Tim. Well that's wonderful. He had a horrible supporting cast. He almost got the team to the Finals once, but I guess thats what happens when you don't have a supporting cast. Plus look who it was who beat him that year? David was amazing pre-injury. Who knows what it would have been like if he'd ever gotten back to that level after getting Duncan. Could have been amazing. Then again what is the point of arguing with a Mavs fan who's only method of knowing what happened before 2001 is by looking up stats on the internet.
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