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    Because he costs to much to play 15mpg after getting beaten out by old farts two years in a row.

    End of story.
    If Rose was beaten out in the 2002-03 season, how come he was the primary backup bigman for most of that season? Come on, stop being so "stupid."


    Yep, and they won't have to play PF. You ARE that stupid, eh?
    What would have mattered most was that they got Rose's contract off the books, ChumpHumper. If you want to make a big deal out of the position, perhaps they wanted insurance at that spot until the end of the season. Still, there was no indication that they wanted solely a big back.
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    If Rose was beaten out in the 2002-03 season, how come he was the primary backup bigman?
    He won his position back over the 2000 year old man. He didn't do the same against Horry even after there was no chance of trading him.
    What mattered most was that they got Rose's contract off the books
    Which is a pretty stupid contract if the guy gets beat out every year by old farts and couldn't win it back even after February when he couldn't be traded anymore. Sad.
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    He won his position back over the 2000 year old man. He didn't do the same against Horry even after there was no chance of trading him.
    By that time it had become personal between Pop and Rose. We saw how smart that decision was come playoff time. Pop is stubborn to a fault sometimes, no doubt about that.


    Which is a pretty stupid contract if the guy gets beat out every year by old farts and couldn't win it back even after February when he couldn't be traded anymore. Sad.
    By that time it was personal between Pop and Rose. Hard to say I blame Rose considering that his greatest fault according to the Spurs was apparently accepting the contract offer the Spurs gave him and giving the Spurs precisely what they needed in yet another championship run in 2003.

    But..but...he missed some shots in November.
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    By that time it had become personal between Pop and Rose.
    It's not like Rose was stellar when he did play, homer.

    But, he just needed more time....
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    Oh yes, the cold shooting streak again. Nevermind when he stepped up during those first 17 games. Of course you don't mention his other stats.

    Dumping 29 year old Rose who had proven he was a postseason warrior for the past 5 years over a little early season cold shooting, and especially after he had proven himself to come on strong during a season in favor of stopgap or unproven solutions at that position and with yourself willing to carry his salary longterm makes little sense.

    Unless your desire to move him was based upon a desire to pare down payroll in anticipation of Ginobili and Parker getting paid.

    As for being a "homer", call me that all you want. (Actually the fact that you think that is some kind of major insult says enough about you. I am laughing at you for thinking that means anything, 'stupidhead').

    Also, it's quite humorous given that you already have Scola pencilled in to be 6th man of the year or whatever.
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    Dumping 29 year old Rose who had proven he was a postseason warrior for the past 5 years over a little early season cold shooting, and especially after he had proven himself to come on strong during a season in favor of stopgap or unproven solutions at that position and with yourself willing to carry his salary longterm makes little sense.
    He got beat out twice by old farts and costs to much to play 15mpg
    Also, it's quite humorous given that you already have Scola pencilled in to be 6th man of the year or whatever.
    I don't. I know he would've been signed had there been room this summer. Deny that.
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    He got beat out twice by old farts and costs to much to play 15mpg
    He'd proven before he could get the job done when called on before. We saw how little getting benched in 2002 really meant.

    Horry and Willis were not long term solutions. Malik certainly was and is. Unless, again, you have decided you cannot carry that level of payroll.


    I don't. I know he would've been signed had there been room this summer. Deny that.
    Maybe, maybe not. That still doesn't make him a preferred option to Malik Rose, a proven backup bigman and key component of two le runs. Unless, again, you want to move Rose because you want to reduce your long term payroll. Given that the Spurs were seeking out expiring contracts for Rose at the trade deadline last season and exposed him in the expansion draft it is clear that their first motivation in trying to deal him was his contract.

    Funny how after Manu agreed to his new deal and as soon as the Spurs saw what other bigs were going for in free agency that they decided Rose was staying and they started turning down trades.

    Go figure.
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    Unless, again, you have decided you cannot carry that level of payroll.
    Again, not for a guy who gets beat out by old farts and plays 15mpg.
    Funny how after Manu agreed to his new deal and as soon as the Spurs saw what other bigs were going for in free agency that they decided Rose was staying and they started turning down trades.
    It was too late to trade him for nothing. Period. Nothing funny about that.

    If he gets beat out by old farts again it's back up on the block.

    Play him or trade him.
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    Need I remind you the lovefest with our starting point guard, Antonio Daniels, before he got beat out and traded?

    Yes, I do.
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    Too late? The Spurs are turning down offers now.
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    Too late?
    To sign Scola, dumbass.
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    As for AD, the Spurs moved him for cap purposes.

    Was he benched?
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    Was he benched?
    Was he starting at the point?
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    It's not "too late". If they really think Rose is no longer up to the job, then why are they not taking offers now? Especially if they aren't committed to clearing cap room. Surely they would be listening to what is available since he is so horrid.

    They can sign Scola with the MLE next summer anyways. That's not an issue.
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    AD wasn't moved out of the rotation. If you want to split hairs then your prior claims that Rose was "benched" were incorrect. How could he have been "benched" if he was already "benched"?
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    It's not "too late".
    God you are a ing idiot. Do you need Scola's line from Tau to show he's not available?
    If they really think Rose is no longer up to the job, then why are they not taking offers now?
    For whom? What trades happen at this time of year?

    None.
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    AD wasn't moved out of the rotation. If you want to split hairs then your prior claims that Rose was "benched" were incorrect.
    Both had their minutes and role sharply reduced. Deny it. Go ahead.
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    , read the entire paragraph:

    [quote]It's not "too late". If they really think Rose is no longer up to the job, then why are they not taking offers now? Especially if they aren't committed to clearing cap room. Surely they would be listening to what is available since he is so horrid.[/qutoe]


    For whom? What trades happen at this time of year?

    None.
    Trades have occurred at this time of year before. And it wasn't now when the Spurs decided they weren't going to deal him.
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    , read the entire paragraph
    I read the entire paragraph and it still has no point if you can't say for whom.
    Trades have occurred at this time of year before.
    There hasn't been a trade in a month, cupcake.
    And it wasn't now when the Spurs decided they weren't going to deal him.
    Of course not -- it was when Scola was no longer available.
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    Both had their minutes and role sharply reduced. Deny it. Go ahead.
    AD still had a significant role with the team. Going into the season it was already planned that Parker would take over when ready. That was a bit earlier than assumed.

    In that case AD was replaced by a younger point. Now did the Spurs try to trade him immediately?

    NO.

    Figure it out, you " ing idiot." Come on.
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    I think it is rather clear:

    It's not "too late". If they really think Rose is no longer up to the job, then why are they not taking offers now?
    Oh well, , this is all the time I am going to waste on you today. Now go home honey and cook your man his dinner.

    Provided you haven't already nagged him out of your life.
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    In that case AD was replaced by a younger point.
    Beat out.

    Then traded.

    Cuban trades in training camp, not the Spurs.

    Name the players offerred for Malik, Marcus.

    Name them.
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    It's not "too late". If they really think Rose is no longer up to the job, then why are they not taking offers now?
    Name the names.
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    Oh well, , this is all the time I am going to waste on you today. Now go home honey and cook your man his dinner.

    Provided you haven't already nagged him out of your life.
    Sequ will be laughing his ass off at you.
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