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    There's no better way to defeat a well-reasoned argument than to throw out a bunch of a.m. radio cliches that have become the mantra for many who have recently adopted "conservatism" in its mass media form.

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    God, how it kills me inside.

    I don't sit around here all day posting just to beat a dead horse. I would like an opponent who actually will give me a good solid debate, and clowns like X-ray just spout mindless gibberish, ignoring any attempt at backing their claims with actual reasons...however weak they may be.

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    My O my, do I detect some frustration in these post?

    Hey remember this is a political forum. Not a debating society. You make your
    statements and take your lumps. You want philosophie, go talk to someone else.

    You want justification, forget it. I don't need to justify anything to anyone here
    on this forum. I state what I believe with no regrets.

    fyatuk, you are so full of it, it must be coming out both ears as well as your mouth. You have
    idea of what you speak. I guess you think our cons ution is also a "living"
    do ent.

    Now all of you have a good day, you hear. I have some important stuff to
    do today and haven't got time to play with you. Maybe catch you on the
    flip side this afternoon.

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    Doesn't that make sense to you, or is your brain that dumb that you can't even get that? pussyface's Avatar
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    ...you couldn't even spell the word "philosophie"

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    How can you legally coerce respect?
    Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and others knew how, so I guess we are learning something from them...

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    X-ray, this is all I want for my wedding gift. Debate the flag-burning issue with me, alone. You and me will have a fun little debate in this forum whenever you choose. The ball is in your court.

    Its' bad luck to refuse a grooms-to-be's only gift request!

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    fyatuk, you are so full of it, it must be coming out both ears as well as your mouth. You have
    idea of what you speak. I guess you think our cons ution is also a "living"
    do ent.
    Actually, I make a lot more sense than you.

    And no, I don't think our Cons ution is a "living do ent". Whether it was in the past or not, the Constution was murdered in the mid 1800's. Half our federal laws are uncons utional. It's disgusting.

    I rather see a government of strict Cons utionalism than this crap we have now. That's why I don't have a problem with flag burning.

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    Gee fyatuk if your not careful you are going to hurt my feelings.

    No problem with flag burning. Hmmmm, wonder why. No other way to express yourself
    except show your disrespect for your country I guess.

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    Coerced respect is no respect at all.

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    Coerced respect is no respect at all.
    Tell that to the fallen heroes who died for this country.

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    I respect them. Not little pieces of cloth made in communist China.

    And no one had to pass an Amendment to force me to respect them.

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    Tell that to the fallen heroes who died for this country.
    ???

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    Tell it to the two that died today in Iraq after being gutted by the terrorist thugs.
    Ask them if it is okay to burn the flag. Oh, I am so absolutely disgusted with some
    on this forum today.

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    Tell it to the two that died today in Iraq after being gutted by the terrorist thugs.
    Ask them if it is okay to burn the flag. Oh, I am so absolutely disgusted with some
    on this forum today.
    Do I get my wedding present, X-ray?

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    It doesn't matter who thinks it is ok to burn the flag, this is completely irrelevant. You could also say "Ask them if it is ok to protest the war in Iraq?" Well, they wouldn't like that either, but it is, and should be, legal.

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    Do I get my wedding present, X-ray?
    You might if I knew where to send it.

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    It doesn't matter who thinks it is ok to burn the flag, this is completely irrelevant. You could also say "Ask them if it is ok to protest the war in Iraq?" Well, they wouldn't like that either, but it is, and should be, legal.

    Yeah, it was okay to demonstrate about VN too. And look where it got us,
    and what it got us. Kerry. A real VN vertran. And Clinton who
    demonstrated against his own country in another country. Oh, so really
    big winners.

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    I suppose you didn't see what I had asked for. A fun little 1-1 debate. A real debate.

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    Yeah, it was okay to demonstrate about VN too. And look where it got us,
    and what it got us. Kerry. A real VN vertran. And Clinton who
    demonstrated against his own country in another country. Oh, so really
    big winners.

    Fine, think that you will about the merits of protesting, but see that it can be considered bad and not be illegal....much like flag-burning.

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    The elusive blue text strikes again....

    chumps.

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    Gee fyatuk if your not careful you are going to hurt my feelings.

    No problem with flag burning. Hmmmm, wonder why. No other way to express yourself
    except show your disrespect for your country I guess.
    See, there's a difference between thinking it an acceptable form of protest and being willing to do it. I have never considered burning a flag other than a retirement ceremony. I have no problem with others doing it.

    I have to admit though, I would be willing the burn the current flag if I saw something I wanted to protest, NOT because I can't express myself in other ways, but because it garners a forum in which you can express yourself to a wider audience.

    I would never even consider burning the original US flag though. I respect that government.

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    See, there's a difference between thinking it an acceptable form of protest and being willing to do it. I have never considered burning a flag other than a retirement ceremony. I have no problem with others doing it.

    I have to admit though, I would be willing the burn the current flag if I saw something I wanted to protest, NOT because I can't express myself in other ways, but because it garners a forum in which you can express yourself to a wider audience.

    I would never even consider burning the original US flag though. I respect that government.

    Whoooopeee. Gather a forum. Now what do you think you have here.
    How about a nice little band. Or fireworks. Or a nice bbq. Or a pie eating
    contest. NO, just call the local media tell them I am going to burn a
    flag, want to come film it. But you gotta be careful of the timing. They
    have deadlines.

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    Whoooopeee. Gather a forum. Now what do you think you have here.
    How about a nice little band. Or fireworks. Or a nice bbq. Or a pie eating
    contest. NO, just call the local media tell them I am going to burn a
    flag, want to come film it. But you gotta be careful of the timing. They
    have deadlines.
    What do you not get about that idea? Burn a flag within site of the Capitol or White House and you will immediately have millions of people listening to what you have to say, and not just listening. They will actually WANT to know what you have to say.

    It's low cost and much more effective than anything else you can do. Now granted it loses its power if it is used often, but that hasn't been a problem.

    We have the right to peacefully assemble to protest. We have the right to Freedom of Speech (and expression by extension). We have the right to protest the government to ins ute change, or even peacefully work to overthrow the government (see Declaration of Independence). Burning a flag falls under each and every one of those. Each of them is one of those ideals the flag stands for. I honestly can't even understand why its even a contention.

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    What do you not get about that idea? Burn a flag within site of the Capitol or White House and you will immediately have millions of people listening to what you have to say, and not just listening. They will actually WANT to know what you have to say.

    It's low cost and much more effective than anything else you can do. Now granted it loses its power if it is used often, but that hasn't been a problem.

    We have the right to peacefully assemble to protest. We have the right to Freedom of Speech (and expression by extension). We have the right to protest the government to ins ute change, or even peacefully work to overthrow the government (see Declaration of Independence). Burning a flag falls under each and every one of those. Each of them is one of those ideals the flag stands for. I honestly can't even understand why its even a contention.
    You also have the right to have your butt kicked up to where you have
    to unbottom you collar to do a number 2. No offense, just an observation.
    Others have rights too.

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    You also have the right to have your butt kicked up to where you have
    to unbottom you collar to do a number 2.
    Actually , there are laws against that. Of course, being a law and order type, you would want the perpetrators of the assault to be pusnished to the fullest extent of the law.

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