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No.
Go back to your original point.
You said he had a FT-a-thon at the end of the 4th.
What's the end of the 4th? The last 3 minutes? The last 5 minutes?
Or are you changing it now to mean the last 12 minutes of the 4th?
[QUOTE=Mavs_man_41]Let's forget the bogus/inconsistent Stackhouse suspension. Forget the first 4 quarters of the game. Forget the first 3 quarters where the Heat took FOUR times as many free throws as the Mavs (36-9). Forget the 3rd quarter where the Heat got to the line 18 times to 0 for the Mavs. Forget that Wade took as many free throws as the entire Mavs team. Forget that the Heat, as a team, took twice as many free throws as the Mavs (49-25).[QUOTE]
Okay let's look at the fact that Dallas is a jump shooting team and that Dwayne Wade drove to the basket to get his points. That's what slashers do.
Okay since you don't know the NBA rule why are you trying to analyze it? He caught the ball in the backcourt. That's a legal play.Just look at the final play. The game was completely stolen from the Mavs here.
1) On the inbounds, it should have clearly been an over-and-back violation on the Heat. You're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt. But you must establish your position in the backcourt first. Wade did not. Wade jumped from the frontcourt (both feet in the frontcourt) into the backcourt and caught the ball in the MIDDLE of his freakin' jump. That's as easy to call as it gets. As Cuban said, that should be clear, at least to most high school referees. So the Mavs would have gotten the ball there with 9 or so seconds left. Heat would have had to foul. Mavs would have had a 2 or 3 point lead most likely.
Terry was checking him the whole time and they didn't call it. Are you trying to tell me that Terry is allowed to mug somebody down the court?2) As three Mavs defenders swarm on Wade on the perimeter, Wade shoves Jason Terry, a straight-arm basically, an obvious offensive foul. But ok, sometimes they don't call contact like that, even if it's obvious, they want the players to decide games.
Maybe you didn't see the photo that was taken in which Harris fouled him as well. And why was Dirk's hand on him to begin with? That's a foul3) But if that's the case how do you explain the foul on Wade with 1.9 seconds to go? Mavs defended it as perfectly as you can. They had 3-4 defenders on him, he fought his way through them all off-balance, threw up a weak shot off the backboard, Mavs get the rebound. They call a foul on Dirk. Replays showed the only contact from Dirk on Wade was his right hand resting on his back. There wasn't a shove, there wasn't any contact on the arms/hand/wrists, it was a no-call all the way.
You can't assume that is what a coach wants. Josh went to the referee twice with the signal of time out. That's a player who doesn't know what the he is doing. Where is your captain on the floor?4) With 1.9 seconds left, Mavs still have a chance even if Wade makes both. Only way to take away that chance is to take away the Mavs' final TO. Avery signals several times for a TO after the second free throw. Referees know Avery doesn't want a TO now. He's not an idiot. Even if you give the refs the break on this one and put it solely on Josh for signaling for a TO there, the fix was already in with the 3 previous blown calls.
What can't be justified is your reasoning for your team to choke three consecutive times. The odds were against Miami winning three straight games at home and your boys allowed that to happen. The refs didn't steal this game or the series. Poor play from the Mavs cost them this game.Unbelievable.
NBA should be ashamed of themselves. The Mavs know they outplayed the Heat in that game. They had it flat-out stolen by the refs, no arguing it on this one. They had their chances to win, sure, they missed a shot here and a free throw or two there, but they so clearly outplayed the Heat in the first 4 quarters and then had it ripped away from them on that final play in OT. How can they possibly defend those first 3 calls they missed (the 1st one primarily since that one isn't subjective in the slightest)? There's no possible way it can be justified.
It's ironic, when Spurs fans were making these claims of being ripped off, a bunch of you came on this board and called us whiners. You kept saying how great your team is. Well you got what you wished for. You wanted to be in the NBA Finals and here you are.
You deal with what you got; no more, no less. The bottom line is that the Mavericks don't have the veteran leadership necessary to win this series. The Heat are an above average team with players who are battle tested.
Suck it up Mav fans. This is what the NBA Finals are all about.
No.
Go back to your original point.
You said he had a FT-a-thon at the end of the 4th.
What's the end of the 4th? The last 3 minutes? The last 5 minutes?
Or are you changing it now to mean the last 12 minutes of the 4th?
I tell you what. After the game last night, I had a wheelbarrow full of excuses. But as the time has gone by, I've dumped them all out in the trash. Conspiracy theories are crap, supposed fixes are crap, blaming the refs is crap (though ticky-tack fouls at the end of the game...whatever).
Mavs lost because of mental lapses at key moments in the game. Missed FTs, not capitalizing on turnovers, Dampier throwing an inbound pass directly to Wade, not boxing out on missed free throws. Just a laundry list of stupid little crap throughout the game.
And bag all you want, but I remain confident. I've been to every single playoff game this season and have had a blast. As a fan, I refuse to just mail it in.
We did. He drove to the basket, got fouled. That's what Mark Cuban wants. Either a star player gets to the basket unconstested, or he gets fouled. Apparently, there's no contact allowed against star players anymore.
Now, explain this to me: where did Dirk go in the 3rd quarter? Why is he settling for jump shots now? What is he afraid of?
Last edited by Mavs_man_41; 06-19-2006 at 02:23 PM.
THANX SHANK... I will let all the talkin in the world be done today and tomorrow... I am still waitin on Game 6 in Dallas. Still waiting to see how all this turns out..
I would have lost money had I bet my 4-2 thots...
Mr. Scribe I think you were right..
I still believe in my boys... Preppin myself for 7 games now.
That's exactly what happened to me after the .4 loss and then a little bit in the Spurs-Mavs series this season.
Bottomline is that games are won by the players. Mavs have 2 more games to win it and bring that trophy home.
Good luck.
Mavs41....Jason Terry was hand checking Wade all the way down the court.
That photo does not just show him reachin gout; IT SHOWS LIGHT SKIN ON DARK SKIN. Either way dude that was a foul; they were impeding his progress.
First good point you've made in this whole thread.
what i want to know is why do mav fans think we give a ? the only thing i give a about now is the heat not choking like their opponents have done the last 3 games!
these conspiracies and these mav bandwagon pussies!
They why wasn't this a foul?
One determined the series lead in the NBA Finals, the other did nothing to determine the outcome of the game, but was a great image to market. I-N-C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T R-E-F-E-R-E-E-S.
This isn't ing, it's the truth.
Last edited by Darrin; 06-19-2006 at 03:19 PM.
LMAO. We're starting to separate wheat from chaff among Mav Fans.
Unfortunately, MFFL #1 is the biggest chaff of them all.
I think the refs were actually trying to help Dallas a little on this play...Wade was clearly mugged going to the basket...I thought Harris's foul was more blatant than Dirks but they gave it to Dirk so that Harris wouldn't foul out...he already had 5 fouls...I remember thinking it was a bad call but on reflection realized what the refs were trying to do and agreed that it was a reasonable call...Wade got the shots but the game wasn't "changed" by ejecting Harris...the fact that Mavs fans are whining about it being given to Dirk now is hilarious...
Was anyone else impressed with Devin Harris's defense on some sequences?
He's done better than anybody else on the Mavs so far...you can only do so much. He's quick enough to harass him more than Griffin, or even Howard...Was anyone else impressed with Devin Harris's defense on some sequences?
losing Steakhouse really hurt us. i think we will pull out these two games at home. and i dont get why Spurs fans just whine about that series. We win the close games ''Refs give Dirk automatic free throws'' ok so we win by 20 in Game 2 ''The game has changed and Stern wants the Mavs to advance''
(whiners)
Wade was clearly not 'mugged' by anyone. Harris didn't touch his arm, and Nowitzki might have grazed the back of his uniform but didn't impede his progress. He missed an uncontested, point-blank layup. He ed up. And because of that, Bennett Salvatore decided that he should win the game with free throws.
there are plenty of pictures showing that harris did indeed touch his arm.
...whose hand is that wrapped around Wades elbow then?
Harris obviously grabbed his elbow. And I don't know if this is just grazing his uniform.
I can't believe Dirk could get called for helping Wade get to the basket.
Sheesh....
Im just writing this to get my post count up.
The problem with that picture is that it's zoomed in. Salvatore (that mother er) made the call on Dirk from 20 feet behind the play. How?
So your argument isn't whether that contact is actually a foul, but that a man paid to watch the plays couldn't see the contact you stipulated from behind the play because he was, in fact, behind the play and watching the play from behind?
Brilliant.
actually didnt the announcers say the call was made on harris only to recall the play seconds later and place it on dirk.
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