Id agree with that Kori.But a 6 year old can't fake being 12. And the ride operator could easily tell the parent, sorry - he can't ride alone - I don't think he's 12 (or whatever number).
But heres what happens.
You do that, then the parents go complain to the fair, who sends a rep down, SCOLDS the operator for doing that, then tells the operator to let the child ride.
Once again, got some experience with these kind of things
I know its hard to believe but yeah they are wrong.Then why are all the AP reports saying he dangled for 40 seconds? Are they all wrong?
There was a ride inspector that just "happened" to be there.
Im serious.
And that is not true, the child literally JUMPED out.
and fell.
Remember what I said about how people like to have prejudices against carnival people?
Well carnivals are no different, and the media will NOT, go to the lengths to get ALL the facts right.
I was letting people know what I was comparing it to, not what it's similar too. The parent was a dumbass, the operator let it pass because the child DID meet the requirements, I believe it falls MORE on the parents.
No Tpark, you can't. But the AP isn't exactly a bad source for information. They get things right the vast majority of the time.
Umm TPark, if there was an actual age restriction, then the rep wouldn't scold the operator for doing his job.Id agree with that Kori.
But heres what happens.
You do that, then the parents go complain to the fair, who sends a rep down, SCOLDS the operator for doing that, then tells the operator to let the child ride.
Once again, got some experience with these kind of things
That's crap.
I'll withhold judgement on what actually happend untill more facts come out. However, ever report that I've read has said the child hung there for a good while. The only thing contradicting that is a third hand account Tpark is passing on. I'm not saying Tpark is wrong or is lying, I'm merely pointing out the vast majority of the information is saying.
If there is an industry wide problem with dealing with bad parents, then that needs to be fixed. If that means that when an operator refuses someone to ride for what he/she feels are safety concerns, then the people above he/she need to back them up. But the bottom line is that at some point the people in charge of the rides need to share in the responsibility of deciding who is fit to ride with a bit more than height.
No way in I'm putting a six year old in something like that alone when it has no restraints. Thats an accident waiting to happen.
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...606200327/1001State law does not prevent children from riding alone as long as they meet the basic height requirement - in this case, 36 inches with an adult or 42 inches unsupervised. Reuben was around 45 inches tall, Sophia Castillo said.
Cal/OSHA has the authority to stiffen those rules but has never before needed to with a Ferris wheel, Fryer said. Tougher rules could include requiring safety restraints, he said.
Joanne Deocampo, an administrator at the University of California, Davis, Center for Child and Family Studies, said height doesn't translate to a child's emotional ability to handle a ride. A young child can be taller than 42 inches and still be too young to handle the fear of heights that can set in on a Ferris wheel and other tall rides, she said.
He has experience in the ride industry and he is saying what I am saying"This 6-year-old child should have never been allowed on an adult ride by themselves. ... That ride operator should have stopped that child from going on that ride," said Ken Martin, a national ride-safety consultant.
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...606200322/1001
The Stockton newspaper shows nothing about him hanging there for a while, however.
i agree
Welcome to our world.then the rep wouldn't scold the operator for doing his job.
That's crap.
This is what happens.
But the bottom line is that at some point the people in charge of the rides need to share in the responsibility of deciding who is fit to ride with a bit more than height.
spoken like a true ride owner and someone who is educated in ride ownership.
You sound like the government,
Hes a former lawyer who has ZERO experience in this business.He has experience in the ride industry
Hes a "consultant'
Once again Manny, your too trusting in what your reading on the internet.
Wow ... that. I don't think I would even ride in that. I was picturing the ones they always have at the rodeo with the semi-cage around it.
No way in I'm putting a six year old in something like that alone when it has no restraints. Thats an accident waiting to happen.
There you go with the namecalling instead of providing an argument.
spoken like a true ride owner and someone who is educated in ride ownership.
You sound like the government,
And you sound like a business owner who wants to wipe his hands clean if something happens on his rides. With a business comes the responsibility to share in the liability if an accident happens. Thats pretty standard.
Who is else is going to be able to tell you when you're legally liable in a situation other than a lawyer Tpark? If he's consulting on something then he has experience in it. If he hasn't spent time pulling levers and dealing with customers it doesn't mean he can't tell you when you have a legal responsibility to provide for the safety of customers.
You seem to have a belief that the only people who can do that are the people who actually operate the rides.
That is the pictuer of the ferris wheel at Fiesta Texas. Notice the bars that the one where the accident occured doesn't have. Seems as though thats something that should be pretty standard.
They require any children under 42 inches to be accompanied by an adult even with the bars.
now were determining standards on rides...
Not if the person does something that I can't control.With a business comes the responsibility to share in the liability if an accident happens.
Like standup, or do something the safety rules tell you not to do.
A six year old is not capable of understanding all safety rules to the point it removes you from liablity. Thats exactly the point!
Yeah, common sense dictates a few things here and there.
now were determining standards on rides...
The world is not a safe place. There is no way some all powerful "they" can write rules or regulations to make everything in the world "safe". At some point, people have to assume responsibility for their decisions and actions. It is the parents responsibility to make those decisions for their child until they are old enough to make those decisions for themselves.
I clearly blame the mother in this situation. She was negligent and stupid and her child died because of it.
That being said, It is a virtual guarantee that there will be a lawsuit and a jury will award the dumb a load of money for her sons death.
Man, I don't disagree the mother was stupid but how anyone with a shred of common sense can put a six year old child into that ferris wheel with no bars no cage without a damn thing to stop someone from falling over alone blows my mind. I doubt any of you would even think about doing it. Look at the picture of it! There's NOTHING to stop a kid who is jumping around acting like a...well.. KID...from falling over.
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