WMD Found

[xrayzebra]

Does the victim get a second chance? In some instances, like a fit of passion or
anger, the person may be given a second change. Because they cant be given
the death sentence. Very strict guidelines on the death sentence.

In most cases of robbery where death occurs or rape, the killing is done in cold
blood.

But we can agree to disagree. That's life.

And do you really think they just talked about bases being sit up. I don't think
so. And bases were sit up by the way.

[fyatuk]

Does the victim get a second chance? In some instances, like a fit of passion or
anger, the person may be given a second change. Because they cant be given
the death sentence. Very strict guidelines on the death sentence.

In most cases of robbery where death occurs or rape, the killing is done in cold
blood.

But we can agree to disagree. That's life.

The fact remains that murders have the lowest risk of repeat offense. You're claim of it being shown "time and again" that they will kill again was a false statement.

We can agree to disagree on when the death penalty should be applied, but that claim was just flat out wrong.

And do you really think they just talked about bases being sit up. I don't think
so. And bases were sit up by the way.

Uhh. Saddam and al-Qaeda had diametrically opposed beliefs and agendas. Saddam did not like al-Qaeda because it was a danger to his power structure. The only thing they had in common was a hatred of the US.

And bases were set up. They were not al-Qaeda bases. Saddam allowed training and preparation of suicide bombers and such in Iraq, possibly including some al-Qaeda people (if so, not on a large scale). Mostly it was for Syrian and Palestine based terrorist groups looking to strike Israel.

There is no evidence supporting a real connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda. If you believe there was one, than that is your belief. There is no evidence to support your belief.

[rascal]

xrayzebra is getting schooled by fyatuk.

[smeagol]

You need proof of WMDs. You need further proof of ties to AQ.

, by your standards, there are more reasons to go to war with Iran or NK, that with Iraq.

The US was willing to go to war, pulling the trigger way before necessary. Other countries weren't.

[rascal]

You need proof of WMDs. You need further proof of ties to AQ.

, by your standards, there are more reasons to go to war with Iran or NK, that with Iraq.

The US was willing to go to war, pulling the trigger way before necessary. Other countries weren't.

Agree with smeagol. The rest of the world agrees with this but the stubborn backing Republican crowd doesn't see it that way. And they have the arrogance to say they are right and the rest of the world is wrong.

[2centsworth]

You need proof of WMDs. You need further proof of ties to AQ.

, by your standards, there are more reasons to go to war with Iran or NK, that with Iraq.

The US was willing to go to war, pulling the trigger way before necessary. Other countries weren't.

there is some truth to what you're saying. However, US intelligence determined Iraq had chemical and biological weapons. Iraq used those weapons on their own people in the past. The US already went to war and both countries agreed to a cease fire agreement which Iraq violated numerous times.

I agreed with going to War because both Political Parties, Bill Clinton, and then Colin Powell said the same exact thing.

Could the war have gone better, yes. Could Bush do a better job of explaining his position, maybe not because he's inarticulate.

I respect people who disagree and have a well thought out rebuttal to the facts, but the Bush Lied response is ignorant.

[fyatuk]

there is some truth to what you're saying. However, US intelligence determined Iraq had chemical and biological weapons. Iraq used those weapons on their own people in the past. The US already went to war and both countries agreed to a cease fire agreement which Iraq violated numerous times.

I agreed with going to War because both Political Parties, Bill Clinton, and then Colin Powell said the same exact thing.

Don't forget just about every other country also believed he had WMD's, etc. With what was available at the time, plus historical data, the decision to go to war was certainly understandable.

My only problem with the war was the timing of it. Committing all those resources to Iraq undermined a lot of what we were trying to do in Afghanistan. I think we should at least have waited until after Afghanistan had ratified a cons ution and elected a government, before moving on Iraq.

That would have also had the effect of letting the inspectors do their work and letting Saddam dig himself a deeper hole since it was obvious he was still playing with inspectors. The inspectors themselves said they thought he was hiding something. In so many ways, delaying the ouster for a year would have been so much better. And I thought that before the invasion, so its not a hindsight thing.

I respect people who disagree and have a well thought out rebuttal to the facts, but the Bush Lied response is ignorant.

Yeah, the Bush lied response is idiotic.

[SA210]

Well in first place, I don't recall anyone saying "Republicans are Christians",
which I think you imply they claim to be the only "Christians".

We don't support war. No one supports war, as you term it. No Republican
or any-other American that I know of wanted a war.

This is not true. Do you support this war going on right now? Yes or no?

I support the death penalty. Many Republicans and others do not, you
among them. I support it because once dead, killers cannot do it again.
Kill people. It has been proven time and time again that killers do kill
again when released from prison, which they all are. Because some feel
it is unfair to keep them there.

The Bible says, "Do not Kill" and "Vengeance is mine".

You always bring up the so called fact, Republicans don't want to help
the poor. No one wants to put poor people in jail. No one wants to see
people starve. But people do object to the fact that people stay on
welfare for many years and their off springs go on to the same system.
Welfare has broken up more families and contributed to the breakup of
the black community more than anything else. Those are facts as
stated by some well educated, knowledgeable people. I have stated,
and state again. There is nothing wrong with giving someone a helping
hand. There is nothing wrong with helping the sick, disabled and others
that are unable to earn a decent living. But, people like you, who want
to keep their hands in everyones hip pocket are a little irritating.
Want a shock, go around the neighborhood and tell everyone that you
want their money so you can give it away to who you see fit. They will
tell you to go back home and leave them alone. But the government
does this all the time. Except they take it, whether you can afford it
or not, and give it to those they see fit. See the picture. And you
cheer them on.

You have been known to have a hateful at ude towards the poor in the past, and that's what I'm talking about. Just because you disagree and dislike certain people that may take advantage of the system, that shouldn't mean that we forget about the ones that really need help.

You can say that there is nothing wrong with helping some, but your views and posts that we have come to know show us how you really feel about it.

Now about lies. My goodness, how many people do you need to tell
you that Bush was not the only one saying there was WMD in Iraq.
He didn't cherry pick, as you folks are so fond of saying. Clinton,
Kerry, Reid the whole bunch on your side said the same. Russian said
the same. France said the same, Germany said the same, England said
the same. WMD has been found. Much of what he had has not been
found, where did it go. Good fairy haul it off? For goodness sakes, he
used it....remember!

Ties to Al Qaeda have been shown with Iraq.

None of this you will accept. But that is because you, who claim to be
such a Christian, show your hate in so many ways for those you disagree
with.

You claim to be a man. Well grow up and act like one.

Yes lies. I don't know if I want to list all the lies, that would take alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll day long.

[xrayzebra]

^^My goodness, your hate is really showing. As well as you being judgemental.
No one is allowed to disagree with any aspect of your thought process. Post
to yourself. I have no time for you. I have lost my patience with you completely.

[ChumpDumper]

there is some truth to what you're saying. However, US intelligence determined Iraq had chemical and biological weapons. Iraq used those weapons on their own people in the past. The US already went to war and both countries agreed to a cease fire agreement which Iraq violated numerous times.

Yes, Iraq had a chance to use WMDs on US forces -- and didn't. Twice. And the terms of the cease-fire and no-fly zones meant Saddam really couldn't do anyway

I agreed with going to War because both Political Parties, Bill Clinton, and then Colin Powell said the same exact thing.

I never heard Clinton say invade and occupy Iraq, and Powell had a much different strategy for Iraq than was actually followed. I still wouldn't have considered it a great idea to invade, but I would've preferred Powell's plan to this halfassed crap we've done for the past three years which will end up costing more in American lives and money.

I respect people who disagree and have a well thought out rebuttal to the facts, but the Bush Lied response is ignorant.

I really do believe that Bush was only presented evidence that backed his initial wish to get rid of Saddam. He surrounded himself with and trusted precisely the wrong people.

[boutons_]

"his initial wish to get rid of Saddam"

If that's what dubya wanted, why didn't he just say "I wanted to get rid of Saddam (bcause my Poppie didn't)" rather than all the bull lies the WHIG heaped on world?

As President of the US, dubya has to be more shrewd, sophisticated, cir spect about the people his delegates decisions to, rather than believe the isolated echo chamber of yes-men he chose to live in. Does anybody really think dubya "proscecuted" the justifications for the Repug war as if they were false, forccing people to overcome his objections, until he was sure beyond any reasonable doubt about the justifications? Looking into Putin's or Maliki's eyes and trusitng your gut is one thing, but that's horribly insufficient when choosing to start an war. dubya is ignorant ing tool owned by head.

dubya failed miserably as chief executive by starting a war with lies.