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Right...Pierce only has value to a contender IMO...and how many contenders can offer what the Spurs can?
, I'd even take Veal from them if they cough Pierce.
Manu
Horry
Barry
Williams
Oberto
Pierce
"Veal" LaFrentz
Boston would ing love Manu for those 70 games he plays per year, and the rest would be gone soon.
Veal was a good shotblocker and rebounder until Nellie got ahold of him, averaging close to 3 blocks and 7-8 boards per contest over a 3 year span. He can also stretch your defense. The only other players I've seen with that combination of shotblocking and 3 point marksmenship were Jonathan Bender and Eddie Griffin.
Right...Pierce only has value to a contender IMO...and how many contenders can offer what the Spurs can?
Wrong honky.
There you go that deal makes sense if we throw in a couple of picks maybe 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders.
Don't answer a question with a question...
Where would Javtokas, Scola and Mahnimi go in this years draft? Just in your opinion? It's already common thought that Scola would go high in this draft...has Mahnimi's stock gone down? What about Javtokas?
I know what his numbers are...but he's still not a franchise player...he never was in the true sense.
Pierce + Veal carries a fairly substantial price tag. $26 mil next season.
Oh, Sczerbiak? Yuck, they can keep Pierce if he's the price of admission.
Would Scola go high at his age?
This is a ty, ty draft. So three mid-to-late first rounders in a ty, ty draft who haven't played a second in the NBA are lower are worth Pierce?
I'm sure Zeke could put together a better deal.
I think alot if it depends on Ainge's ego with this particular draft. If he thinks he can get what he thinks is a missing piece at #5, expect no Pierce trade.
That deal doesn't make sense because LaFrentz and Pierce make a combined 25 million...we don't have that much salary to give up unless we are talking 2 of our big 3.
Strike two.
C'mon guys....
Since Pierce can't get them to the playoffs..yeah.
Like what?I'm sure Zeke could put together a better deal.
IF it's true about Pierce being put on the block, there's more at issue here than a missing piece.I think alot if it depends on Ainge's ego with this particular draft. If he thinks he can get what he thinks is a missing piece at #5, expect no Pierce trade.
We already know Ainge wants to bring his own guys in...ask Toine.
The Knicks idea has more merit than anything else suggested in opposition to what the Spurs could offer...
The Knicks could get half the NBA under the cap if they wanted too...
There's just one thing...the Knicks and Celtics hate each other, ins utionally, are both run by 2 GM's with at ude, and are probably the last two teams that would do a trade together.
No way does Ainge want Paul Pierce getting stuck up his ass 4 times a year...
Who blames Pierce for that? Boston fans?Like players who actually played in the NBA.Like what?IF Pierce has been on the block before and not been traded, there's more at issue here than wanting four guys who haven't played in the league before. Again, we're talking about Ainge's perception -- and the owners' -- not ours.IF it's true about Pierce being put on the block, there's more at issue here than a missing piece.
Well, that depends on which guy thinks he is screwing the other worse. Oh to be a fly on the wall for those negotiations....
Sorry Dump...you usually make a good Devil's advocate but you just aren't getting the job done.
Look obviously...If Pierce is on the block, it's not because they are expecting to get better Superstar in return...because it's not going to happen. And I doubt a #5 pick is going to fix it either. Ainge wants his guys...and it's a rebuild even if not a salary dump rebuld.
Too me it's obvious that if they are even talking about this then they intend to tank the season...and don't say Boston is above doing this...
The Spurs do have talent, and it's talent that doesn't have to be signed right away neccessarily. It's cheap talent, and it's all IMO, first round talent.
I mean I like our overseas talent and most of the scouts do too.
I don't see him getting very many good offers for Pierce...because Pierce isn't going to change the fortunes of a bad team, he's not young, and he's expensive...
Only a good one...how many good teams can offer more than the Spurs, that won't up a good tank job?
They've aparently turned down better trades than you've put forth, that's all.Look obviously...If Pierce is on the block, it's not because they are expecting to get better Superstar in return...because it's not going to happen.But, they've been talking about trading him for years now. Regardless of how badly the team does, Pierce is still their main draw and nobody we would offer is going to become the cash cow he is.Too me it's obvious that if they are even talking about this then they intend to tank the season...I don't think any GM could justify killing the golden goose after committing to Wally for three more seasons.I don't see him getting very many good offers for Pierce...because Pierce isn't going to change the fortunes of a bad team...only a good one...how many good teams can offer more than the Spurs, that won't up a good tank job?
Like who? Like what?
And how mahy of those other years were as ty as this one?But, they've been talking about trading him for years now.
Oh please...it's ing Boston. Draw, cash cow....it's Boston.Regardless of how badly the team does, Pierce is still their main draw and nobody we would offer is going to become the cash cow he is.
Yeah...maybe they'll have to move the team if they lose. Gimme a ing break.
Golden Gooses don't finish in the lottery.I don't think any GM could justify killing the golden goose after committing to Wally for three more seasons.
Here's a deal that makes a lot of sense....
Stackhouse - $8,000,000
Bradley - $4,800,000
Abdul-Wahad - $1,968,750
Eschemeyer - $3,711,400
Podkolzine - $1,221,240
Diop - $2,160,000
Rawle Marshall - $664,209
TOTAL: $22.5256 million
- for -
Paul Pierce - $15,101,626
Wally Szczerzbiak - $11,000,000
TOTAL - $26.1016 million
85 % of $26.1016 million is $22.18 million, meaning Dallas' deal works under the cap.
PG Terry
SG Pierce
SF Howard
PF Nowitzki
C Dampier
6 Harris
7 Daniels
8 Szczerzbiak
9 Griffin
10 MLE
11 MBenga
That's a really scary thought... everyone Dallas moves comes off the books in 2007 except for Diop and Bradley, who combine for about $7 million in 2007 and come off in 2008.
In this scenario Boston is looking at having about $27-$28 million committed in 2007. If they're looking to dump Pierce for nothing this trade makes so much sense, seeing they get to dump Szcerzbiak and get a quickly improving bigman in Diop too. I think this hugely trumps what the Spurs can give.
What makes everyone think Ainge wants to dump Wally?
It's Boston....
In that vein, it's obvious Ainge is just waiting out the BYC period to trade Pierce and Jefferson for Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy. In the meantime they can swap picks so Ainge will eventually end up with:
au
Red
Szczerbiak
Murphy
LaFrentz
And MickeyD off the bench.
Just sayin'...he just traded for Wally. I assume there was a reason for it.
I could see him being ready to dump LaFrentz...but I have a hunch he's planning on keeping Wally.
It trumps it in terms of cap relief but not necessarily in terms of talent...I mean that talent trade off sucks. Diop aint all that.....
For cap purposes it does work...and Boston might also set a record for number of C's on a roster in a season.
It's a good deal, and probably the best one I have seen suggested...but no one wants to give any credit at all for the talent the Spurs have sitting overseas...No one is saying these guys are scrubs you know.
The one piece they get a C is probably not their greatest need even in terms of rebuild...and Perkins is impropving.
Edit: I just looked, I'd take Perkins over Diop period right now.
Lol I wish this would happen, there have already been paul pierce to dallas rumors.
They gotta have it one way or the other... cap relief or talent in return. I can't see Pierce going without someone taking Wally or Raef. Besides, they could tank for Oden with this trade.
The trade also works if you swap Wally-World and LaFrentz.
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