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sorry, where has that been reported?It's been widely reported the Spurs offered the MLE, and that Rudoy was asking for more than the LLE.
nowhere that I've seen.
Spurs aren't even offering the LLE to anyone, probably because of luxury tax issues.
Aggie, you have nothing to stand on. You've made up this idea that Jak was asking for too much money, when it seems pretty apparent he would have been happy with what Butler received. How could he not, anyway - the only other offer he got was from Pan for much less. Butler was offered slightly less than Oberto gets, and by all indications Jak would have accepted it.
The argument we're making is that it was either Elson/Butler or Elson/Javtokas FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. Either one set or the other for approx. $5M/yr. If Butler got matched, the Spurs would have turned around and offered that money to Javtokas. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN ALL THE ARTICLES.
What went wrong was Javtokas wasn't around to be their insurance if/when Butler got matched, which means we're facing the prospect of going in with Elson, and Elson only, next year. They didn't cover their bases well enough.
sorry, where has that been reported?It's been widely reported the Spurs offered the MLE, and that Rudoy was asking for more than the LLE.
nowhere that I've seen.
Spurs aren't even offering the LLE to anyone, probably because of luxury tax issues.
Who knows what Javtokas was offered? At this point, I don't think he is worth more than LLE money given that he has zero NBA experience. We might not like Elson, but at least he a proven (albeit mediocre) NBA center.
I don't really see a problem as far as bigs are concerned. Nazr and Rasho are replaced by Bonner and Elson or Butler. If need be, the Spurs will pick up Sean Marks or a lookalike.
Spurster, my issue now isn't Elson vs. Javtokas. RJ isn't coming. It's over and I've moved on. I like Butler very much, Elson is adequate. My issue is that we're insanely close to only having Elson. Maybe that was inevitable, but going in with Elson and Marks is going to be a serious problem. Bonner's not going to be any help here. He's an energy player (read: little talent) who can shoot well.
Look in the mirror? Nothing to stand on? The only thing that is out there in articles is that Jav and his agent both said what the Spurs were offering wasn't enough.Aggie, you have nothing to stand on. You've made up this idea that Jak was asking for too much money, when it seems pretty apparent he would have been happy with what Butler received. How could he not, anyway - the only other offer he got was from Pan for much less. Butler was offered slightly less than Oberto gets, and by all indications Jak would have accepted it.
Hence, it's still about the almighty dollar, and you're still a bitter little Javtokas nut rider who doesn't get to see his white knight ride into the AT&T Center this fall.
Aggie, you've still failed to provide any facts to this conversation. We know you hate Javtokas. For whatever reason, I don't know. You're probably of the contingent that immediately started hating Scola the moment the buyout came to light. If you want to believe the FO is peerless, squeaky clean, and does everything absolutely right, then that's your given right as an Aggie. There's really no need to continue this.
I don't hate Javtokas. , I had already sent several friends links to his highlight footage online a couple of days after the season ended.
I don't hate Scola either. Yes, I think he is a dumbass for agreeing to a contract with the terms for buyouts he did. Hate, no.
I was looking forward to Javtokas being a Spur this year, but I don't think he should automatically be handed the keys to the vault as far as pay goes.
, even Manu and Oberto got small deals for their initial contracts. I don't know why Rudoy or Jav were expecting or asking for more than a comparable deal as far as what those two got. The Spurs have shown that as a Euro coming in you're going to get a small deal from them, and if you prove you're worth it (Tony, Manu) then you'll be rewarded.
The only thing that disappoints me about Javtokas is his at ude. He's had two chances to come over now and in both instances has ended up staying in Europe over money.
If you think you belong in the league, step up to the plate, take what the Spurs have offered you, and prove you deserve more. I mean , the Spurs paid for all his surgeries, rehab, etc. already. Do you realize how much that must have cost? Probably 200-300K alone considering how ed up he was after his wreck.
And now you've got his agent asking for more than the LLE, when we don't even know if his body (as ripped as he is) can handle the beating of an NBA season. The Spurs were prudent for not overspending on someone whose physical endurance is still somewhat questionable.
Like I said, if Javtokas wants to play he should take the contract they offered, come over, and prove he's worth more.
Dude, Body. All you have is speculation but you keep saying nobody except you has facts. What the ?
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there's nothing that's been credibly reported that he was asking for more than Oberto. Rudoy knows the market for back-up big men without NBA experience. And that was set by Oberto. Same thing is about to happen with Garbajosa in Toronto who will make 0.5-1.5 more per year than Oberto if news accounts are to be believed.even Manu and Oberto got small deals for their initial contracts. I don't know why Rudoy or Jav were expecting or asking for more than a comparable deal as far as what those two got.
I haven't seen the LLE number reported anywhere. What is true is that the Spurs aren't offering the LLE to anybody.
the first time was about the lockout. Lots of informed people believed a lockout was coming. He didn't want to be caught in limbo AND had the extra motivation of staying in Lithuania so his wife could finish university. If he wanted the money he wouldn't have re-upped with Rytas for last year. Rytas can't even make a almost compe ive offer to keep him for next year and acknoweledged that months ago.He's had two chances to come over now and in both instances has ended up staying in Europe over money.
Oberto getting $2.5 million for 3 years definitely didn't help in the Jav/Scola negotiations.
We're still on about this?
Look, the Spurs never offerred anything more than the LLE. That's clear. The offseason plan started out like this:
Przybilla - full MLE, Javtokas - LLE
Both parties rejected these deals, so the Spurs went looking for other big men to whom they could give the MLE. The next plan was probably something like this:
Mourning/Butler or Mourning/Elson for the MLE.
Keep in mind they were speaking with all three parties at this time. Mourning was given the deadline to decide because they didn't want Elson or Butler signing with someone else while they were waiting for Zo to decide.
So Zo drops out and signing day comes around. What else can the Spurs do but go ahead with the deals they already have worked out with guys who can actually sign with other NBA teams? -- in Butler's case for more money. The only compe ion for Javtokas are non-NBA teams that won't give him any more money than the Spurs.
Javtokas might have ended up with MLE money and years had he waited another week. He didn't want to. Spurs could've had Javtokas if they offerred him an MLE deal Wednesday instead of Butler or Elson. They didn't want to.
C'est la vie.
Only quibble is Javtokas was probably being squeezed by the Greek team as well to sign a deal or it would be taken off the table, so for him it was bird in hand or bird in bush.
Just as it was with the Spurs.
so . . . nowhere is this LLE info to be found? There's no offseason plan that I can find that lays that out.
what I do remember from June was speculation/reports either in the Express or in the foreign news sites about a 3 year deal for Javtokas, which would make him ineligible for the LLE.
The Spurs have still yet to offer an LLE deal to anyone that's been reported.
If they talked to Przybilla and Javtokas at the same time, what could they possibly have offerred Javtokas?Foreign report from the Javtokas camp before the negotiation period. It makes since that they wold reject an LLE offer if they were expecting the "2+1" that was reported.what I do remember from June was speculation/reports either in the Express or in the foreign news sites about a 3 year deal for Javtokas, which would make him ineligible for the LLE.
I'm thinking they weren't going to offer Javtokas a deal if Pryzbilla accepted.If they talked to Przybilla and Javtokas at the same time, what could they possibly have offerred Javtokas?
Why not? The Spurs still needed two centers and signing Joel would've precluded Elson or Butler.
I don't think it's clear that they needed 2 centers. They didn't even play 1 center against the mavs and their centers got marginal time against Sacramento. An alternative was that they knew Elson wasn't close to what Pryzbilla would give them (after all they offered Pryzbilla more for more years), and needed a second body to try and equal the production so they got Butler.Why not? The Spurs still needed two centers and signing Joel would've precluded Elson or Butler.
I love it when Chumpdumper drops the french on 'em. I don't know why but I do. That's the 2nd time I've seen it.
Do the Knicks have any min. contracts? If they match, like I unfortunately think they will, they will have 3rd string center in James or Butler making a couple million a year.
Um, we lost two centers, so we need two centers. The difference is the emphasis on athleticism.
James actually has a full MLE deal that Zeke signed him to -- and now he's in full control of who gets the minutes. If he can't make a deal to clear the logjams at the PF and C spots, it becomes much more difficult to convince Dolan to spend $14 million on Butler.Do the Knicks have any min. contracts? If they match like I unfortunately think they will they will have 3rd string center in James or Butler making a couple million a year.
Oberto - open market commodity. Free agent.
Jav/Scola - exclusive negotiating rights and right of refusal. Draft picks.
Is the difference really THAT hard to understand?
Even if the situations were the same (and they're NOT), if anything, Oberto's underwhelming performance supports the Spurs position of caution and frugality with unproven Euros.
I'm just saying their agents probably mentioned it during negotiations. I'm not saying whether it was right to do so. The Spurs probably came back with the same argument you just posted.
did the Spurs play both of those centers in the 05 playoffs? No, they just played one. So in their championship run they went with one guy. That one guy just didn't perform as well the next year.Um, we lost two centers, so we need two centers. The difference is the emphasis on athleticism.
what's so hard to understand that both FAs and 2nd round draftees can refuse NBA deals and stay in Europe? No difference there. Neither is bound by salary rankings like 1st rounders. Only difference is that one can sign with anyone and the other can't. So what?Oberto - open market commodity. Free agent.
Jav/Scola - exclusive negotiating rights and right of refusal. Draft picks.
Is the difference really THAT hard to understand?
So you propose an 8-man team?did the Spurs play both of those centers in the 05 playoffs? No, they just played one.
That would buy some tractors....
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