I freely admit that I'm not trying to present both sides of the arguement. I honestly couldn't see fit to argue for those that have hounded Israel since their inception, by policy murder their women and children and don't believe they have a right to exist. That in no way equates to my believing that Israel is perfect or responds to every attack in the most constructive way possible (altough they certainly put a lot of thought into their response). That side of the arguement is presented by others and if I disagree find it too extreme I'll submit a reply.
All of this rhetoric and not one suggestion of what Israel should do.
Keep in mind that Israel made concessions, which is very hard to do considering the Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah accepted those concessions and still want to kill every Jew.
Now, Doc Jerome, I want you to tell Israel what to do.
The Israeli soldiers were taken as bargaining chips. Whoever took them was assuming the Israeli government was going to negotiate, much like they had done in the past. They did not. They just started bombing the infrastructure of the country. While I do not condone the tactics, the other side must feel they have nothing to lose in doing this. Hezbollah is claiming that Israel is holding over 300 political prisoners because of their anti-Israeli policy beliefs; many of whome were kidnapped in much the same way the Israeli soldiers were taken.
Look at all sides of the argument. I knew it was just a matter of time before the all powerful "ANTI-SEMITE" label would be thrown about. I am not. I just look at all sides and try to find reason where there is so much inhumanity.
Please don't use the holocaust to site anything. There is no comparison. And you simply do not have the right to use it in that way. I as an American citizen whose tax dollars are sent to Israel instead of being used here at home, do have a right to question American as well as Israeli policy when it is destabalizing a whole region.
I can say the same for much of your comments too. They do not deserve a response, therefore, I do not have to answer. I can just site what I have read and heard as fact, and if anyone questions me, just brand them uninformed and anti this and anti that. YOU are anti truth.
Start with diplomacy. The US and Israel should start a dialogue with Syria and Iran if they know, not believe, them to be the instigators of this mess. International law is spelled out what should be done, Israel seeks to cir vent by stating it is defending herself against rockets.
If you are supposed to be the sane adult on the block, do you seek to kill everyone in the house of the child that just threw a rock into your car window, and make life difficult for everyone on the block because of this. Oh, and if some neighbors get killed in the process, oh well, I warned everyone if I got mad, . . . look out. Now you go figure.
Both sides are ed up in ways. I think Israel would be happy if they weren't ed with anymore and accepted as a legitimate country, but I don't know if this is possible.
[QUOTE]I can help you out here Doc, Hezbulloh kidnapped them.
You cited the missle signing as "the height of inhumanity", I'll use whatever I feel necessary to expose how utterly asinine and ridiculous your statement was.Please don't use the holocaust to site anything. There is no comparison. And you simply do not have the right to use it in that way.
No one's arguing that. However if Hezubollah had not kidnapped the Israeli's and if they weren't presently indiscriminately firing 100 missles daily into Israel this discussion wouldn't be necessary. Any thoughts on hezbulloh's tatics and policies since your so concerned about the reasons for the inhumanity being shown in the conflict? (There's irony in having to solicit that from someone that claims to look at all sides of inhumanity)I as an American citizen whose tax dollars are sent to Israel instead of being used here at home, do have a right to question American as well as Israeli policy when it is destabalizing a whole region.
I fully support your right to reply to my thoughts in any way you wish.I can say the same for much of your comments too. They do not deserve a response, therefore, I do not have to answer. I can just site what I have read and heard as fact, and if anyone questions me, just brand them uninformed and anti this and anti that. YOU are anti truth.
[QUOTE]Pardon the insult doc but you're a simple minded man if you believe that you can deal with terrorists through diplomacy. International law is effective only if all parties respect it.. Terrorists and Iran have thorough disdain and total disregard for International Law.
Come up with a better parallel, we're not dealing with rocks thrown through car windows, we're dealing with killing and murdering soldiers and almost 2,000 rockets being fired "inhumanely" into their Country.If you are supposed to be the sane adult on the block, do you seek to kill everyone in the house of the child that just threw a rock into your car window, and make life difficult for everyone on the block because of this. Oh, and if some neighbors get killed in the process, oh well, I warned everyone if I got mad, . . . look out. Now you go figure.
And Israel is not seeking the destruction of everyone in the house, hezbulloh's exploitation of these areas is the catalyst for their destruction.
I Wouldn't be surprised if hezbulloh forbids the civilians from fleeing them.
Anyway, this is what happens when people talk politics. I've had enough of this. I'll just go do some frivolous sports talk.
One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter. You harbor too much hate to even begin to comprehend. Have a nice life pretending to pretend.
There's no pretending here. Hatred for terrorists and terrorism is well place hatred doc.One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter. You harbor too much hate to even begin to comprehend. Have a nice life pretending to pretend.
I guess political forums aren't for the faint in heart.
Infer being the key word, as you certainly are far from being an expert in this subject what you choose to "infer" is your own problem, why you choose to infer such a thing, while mind boggling, its probably because of your lack of knowledge in the subject and your unwillingness to educate yourself.
Who gave hezbollah the iranian missiles? Who killed the former Lebanese prime minister? Do you know anything about middle east history? Syria and Lebanon go way back, without Israel having much to do about it.
Another ignorant and missinformed (not to say intendedly misleading) post. You should read a little before making a complete fool of yourself with such stupid generalizations.
Just as an example, thousands of jews were allowed, and even encouraged, to leave Germany before the WWII They did have restrictions on how much money they could transfer abroad so many decided to buy goods and take them with them.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php...uleId=10005468
More about Israel economy history from wikipedia
Two factors were instrumental in fostering rapid economic growth of the Jewish sector: immigration and capital inflows. The Jewish population increased mainly through immigration; by the end of 1947 it had reached 630,000, about 35 percent of the total population. Immigrants came in waves, particularly large in the mid 1920s and mid 1930s. They consisted of ideological Zionists and refugees, economic and political, from Central and Eastern Europe. Capital inflows included public funds, collected by Zionist ins utions, but were for the most part private funds. National product grew rapidly during periods of large immigration, but both waves of mass immigration were followed by recessions, periods of adjustment and consolidation.
In the period from 1922 to 1947 real net domestic product (NDP) of the Jewish sector grew at an average rate of 13.2 percent, and in 1947 accounted for 54 percent of the NDP of the Jewish and Arab economies together. NDP per capita in the Jewish sector grew at a rate of 4.8 percent; by the end of the period it was 8.5 times larger in than in 1922, and 2.5 times larger than in the Arab sector (Metzer, 1998).
Again, I can say the same thing about YOU. Turn off FOX for a second and think. I read enough to know you don't know what U think U know.
YOU all assume I am ignorant because you donot wish to hear another perspective or another version of the truth. There is enough blame to go around in that region of the country. It would prove to be more beneficial however, if there was not just one side being heard, and viewed with understanding.
Again, when weak in argument, please refer to the BS manual page 1. Call names, . . . Yo' momma.
When children and inocent are killed in Lebanon it's labeled a criminal act. When Israeli children and innocent are killed it's cause for celebration.
I would be a little more skeptical of claims being made by Hezbollah. I also understand the meaning of oppression. I'm from Ireland. Belfast. Our main interest were Brit soldiers, police and government officials. Collateral damage is an ingredient in the overall recipe. Indiscriminate missile attacks focused on innocent populations tends to ruin ones legitimate objectives.
More than likely?
link.
Who is celebrating the death of innocents? Innocent blood should be mourned, innocent blood of children is an unspeakable cowardly act, no matter who commits it.
I agree. Just know that these people admit to having no tanks or sophisticated weaponry to properly match state sponsored aggression. They adopted the suicide bombing tactic as a last resort. I believe, Hezbollah has renounced their claims to using this tactic. They no longer use this as a tactic. It is very unfortunate about all the missles, I am at a loss for words on that one, but they feel as though their struggle is not over. The ultimate objective of all parties should be assertained and perhaps this could be used as a starting point for peace.
All assuming you're ignorant is quite the generalization doc, and we get different perspectives all the time. Has the paranoia set in since your foray into this thread or has it always been there?YOU all assume I am ignorant because you donot wish to hear another perspective or another version of the truth. There is enough blame to go around in that region of the country. It would prove to be more beneficial however, if there was not just one side being heard, and viewed with understanding.
You have no control over how your posts are received, so just present your observations and arguements and stop whining about the negative reaction
(or don't).
p.s. What's up with the fro after every post doc?
No, I assume you are ignorant because you keep posting ignorant stuff and not backing any of them up. Its not a different side of the story, its just a bunch of crap...Again, I can say the same thing about YOU. Turn off FOX for a second and think. I read enough to know you don't know what U think U know.
YOU all assume I am ignorant because you donot wish to hear another perspective or another version of the truth. There is enough blame to go around in that region of the country. It would prove to be more beneficial however, if there was not just one side being heard, and viewed with understanding.
Again, when weak in argument, please refer to the BS manual page 1. Call names, . . . Yo' momma.
And we dont get FOX News over here...
I expected you'd ask for that, that's why I began with the qualifier "more than likely". No link necessary.
However, if you present information that refutes that the majority are raised that way, I'll be glad to modify my post.
Frankly, I don't care how my posts are received, I am just trying to spark conversation and be somewhat cordial.
What is up with the picture of a black man on your avatar? I guess it's all just branding.
Really???? There must be plenty of info on that... Why not post some.... Maybe they don't have the boogey-man there yet..........
Why do you qualify the deaths they cause.... SOmehow they have managed to kill far, far more women and children by accident then all the terrorist put together.... Look @ Lebanon right now......... These fools are firing primitive rockets and Israel has the best guided rockets and missles the USA can have them and they still kill hundreds of innocents.............
Israel fires a missle into an apartment bldg or crowed street killing INNOCENT people is that not deliberately then what the is?????????/
Amen............
Those parents know that missiles are being fired from their backyards and driveways.
They may not support it but, they tolerate it with their presence.
Apparently Israel has been dropping leaflets, issuing warnings to evacuate, radio, and phone text messaging, thereby tipping off Hezbollah, to try to reduce civilian casualites, and using precision, targeted ordnance.
Hezbollah, OTOH, has been firing crude, unguided anti-personnel rockets (filled with shrapnel) into civiliian populations. Not very effective so far, but where is the outrage at Hezbollah's totally different intention to kill civilians vs the Israelis' intention to kill Hezbollah?
How can people here can be upset with civilian casualties in Lebanon when their own country killed 100s of 1000s of civilians, purposely, in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and fire-bombed Tokyo and Dresden.
dubya's phony Iraq war has killed 50K Iraqi civilians in a country that did not attack or even threatenthe USA, starting with 100s, 1000s? of Iraqi civilians killed in shock-and-awe.
Israel cannot stop until Hezbollah is weakend seriously in S. Lebanon, and then a serious peace keeping force must occupy S. Lebanon to keep Hezbollah from threatening Israel from there.
Israel was telling the people to get out, then it bombed the convoys with civilians leaving.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5182564.stm
A number of families were fleeing their village of Marwahin on the Israeli border when their convoy was struck by missiles on the coastal road to Tyre, a UN spokesman told the BBC.
Local residents told al-Jazeera TV the villagers had been hit after being told to leave Marwahin by the Israelis and then refused shelter by the UN forces.
The main road had been under continuous bombardment, Ahmad Ali Ubayd said.
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