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After an 0-2 start, Spurstalk will be chaos...
Is there anything that the Spurs do that ever makes you happy? Seriously -- all I read from you is a bunch of complaining about what the Spurs haven't done or how badly they're doing things.
You make this sound like some sort of fraud on the part of the Spurs. Frankly, that's patently ridiculous. According to spurschick, they got feedback that indicated to them that earlier start times would be received well. That wouldn't be terribly surprising -- seven o'clock local isn't a terribly unusual start time for NBA teams; at least 18 other franchises use 7 local as their general starting time (Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland, Denver, Indiana, Memphis, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans/OKC, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Seattle, Toronto, Utah, Washington).
I'd doubt seriously that the Spurs made the decision to change start times many months ago, before starting the renewal process; I don't bring the same cynicism about Spurs management that you have and so I'm convinced that this decision was made recently, after allowing fans an opportunity to voice opinions. As for myself, I didn't renew my tickets on the promise that the game times would remain invoilate or were never subject to change -- indeed, every ticket that the Spurs issue has a disclaimer saying that the game time is always subject to change.
If you're unhappy with the time change there are solutions. I'd be shocked if the Spurs refused to refund your money or refused to accommodate you in finding a smaller package if you voiced a concern that the time change would have such a prohibitive affect on your ability to attend games. If they refuse to do so, you have the recourse of either: (1) seeking a legal remedy somehow; or (2) selling the tickets to the games you can't attend and recouping whatever losses you believe you've sustained.
I've talked to other season ticket holders too about the time change and haven't noticed any great upheaval from any of them about that decision. It will change the processes by which they make arrangements to get to games, but I think most are pleased that they'll be able to get home a bit earlier on game nights than they have in previous years.
As always, it's a question of serving the greatest good; if the Spurs are wrong and the majority of season ticket holders are like you in hating this decision, they'll pay for it somehow -- maybe they'll even revert back to 7:30 start times next season. They must, however, have reason to believe that you're in the minority and that this decision will be more widely seen as good than bad. Whatever it is, it's certainly not nefarious or based on ill-will.
After an 0-2 start, Spurstalk will be chaos...
Well said.
just like it was in 1999 when the Spurs were 6-8 after 14 games (well, like it would have been) . . . and just like it would have been in 2003 when the Spurs were 14-10 in mid-December . . . and just like it was in 2004 when the Spurs were 9-10 . . . .After an 0-2 start, Spurstalk will be chaos...
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Then you believe wrong.If you're unhappy with the time change there are solutions. I'd be shocked if the Spurs refused to refund your money or refused to accommodate you in finding a smaller package if you voiced a concern that the time change would have such a prohibitive affect on your ability to attend games.
I have already been turned down twice this summer for two different reasons that I made this request. And people wonder why I have the opinion that I do.
Last edited by furry_spurry; 08-03-2006 at 10:43 AM.
"just like it was in 2004 when the Spurs were 9-10"
WTF?
In 2004, at 19 games, the Spurs were: 16-3.
My bad, I meant in the 2003-04 season, not the 2004-05 season. You got me for poor usage.
2003: 11-8
Then take legal action. If you're able to afford a $5,000 per ticket price, I'm sure you have a good lawyer.
As a matter of fact, I keep one on retainer. I just think that shouldn't be necessary.
See, it's about expectations. Certain en ies you expect better from. The more they use their PR machine to build up their public reputation of being a certain way, the greater the disdain for them when the truth is discovered.
Last edited by furry_spurry; 08-03-2006 at 11:24 AM.
Damn -- why are you in such a fit about this?
In 1998-99, after 14 games, the Spurs were 6-8 and Spurs fans were in an uproar. (the Spurs won the le)
In 2002-03, after 24 games, the Spurs were 14-10 and Spurs fans were in an uproar. (the Spurs won the le)
In 2003-04, after 19 games, the Spurs were 9-10 and Spurs fans were in an uproar. (the Spurs were perilously close to knocking off the LA All-Stars and perhaps making a repeat appearance in the Finals)
If, as Leonard postulates, the Spurs start out 2006-07 with 2 straight losses, Spurs fans will be in an uproar. It won't be the first time, but it would hardly be a death knell, either.
Frankly, I can see why they might not refund your purchase. The tickets are generally sold on a non-refundable basis and I can see where that might apply even to tickets that haven't yet been issued. They could certainly argue that they've afforded the means to convey those tickets to others for at least face value, which means that they've allowed a basis for mitigating any damages.
As for accommodation (as opposed to refund) I'll take you at your word on the unwillingness to find you a more suitable package, though I'd be surprised about such an unwillingness if your express reason for seeking that change had anything to do with previously-unannounced time changes; I could see that they'd be unwilling to help you out if the basis for seeking that change had something to do with dissatisfaction about personnel decisions or some other personal concern. I'm not meaning to imply that I think you've ever articulated that as a basis for wanting to change; I'm just hypothesizing reasons for rejecting such an effort.
In the end, you choose to see Spurs management as somehow untruthful in their dealings with you. I would imagine that even the decisions on their part that you're now lamenting are fairly common practices in the industry. I know that in my dealings with them, the Spurs have always been reasonable and truthful; management has done some things for me and my family that were never contemplated by any of the various agreements we reach with them in the course of purchasing tickets and participating in the events that they provide. It's rather difficult for me to even imagine reaching your level of cynicism.
Maybe you can transfer the tickets to the Air Canada Centre.
Oh please. It's been stated over and over that they didn't make this decision when they were asking people to renew. It also clearly states that times my change.
Maybe one of the reasons that they couldn't accommodate you with another ticket package is because they are about 92% sold out for the season. I've actually been trying to move up and pay them more money, but there is nothing available right now.
If you're that down on the organization, sell as many of your tickets as you can and don't renew next year.
They can sell you mine.
furry spurry is a whiny . I'm pretty sure every ticket from every sporting event in the country has a disclaimer that times are subject to change.
i want to go see the Nov 22 game.
I like the back to backs earlier but man alot of games on short rest
atleast manu will be rested then some
I would rather have the back to backs before the allstar break then after
they're idiots for making the starting time be 7:00. traffic is already bad when people need to leave for the games (now it'll have to be 6:00-ish) and now rush hour traffic is in the mix WITH spurs traffic. really not looking forward to dealing with that every other night.
*annoyed*
Since when is 20 grand small claims?
About the same time it becomes hard to get a refund on your tickets when there is a waiting list a mile long for lower level seats and they'd have no problem with the re-sale.
I know where there has been an empty seat in a great location for two seasons on the lower level that has not been sold as a season ticket. And they've tried to sell it to the people who have the seats on either side with no luck. Sometimes someone buys it as a ticket for a particular game but often it just sits empty-- even when they claim there is a sell-out.About the same time it becomes hard to get a refund on your tickets when there is a waiting list a mile long for lower level seats and they'd have no problem with the re-sale.
There are also RIGHT NOW mini-packs seats on the lower level if you just know who to ask.
Last edited by furry_spurry; 08-07-2006 at 11:16 AM.
See- I'm not the only one. I know FOR A FACT that the Spurs have gotten both negative and positive feedback from season ticket holders, and there are people who work for the Spurs who agree wth my major premise-- this decision should have been made before renewals were solicited. If they are that ineffectual to make a timely decision, they should have waited to make the change the following season when people have appropriate information to use to make a decision.
Last edited by furry_spurry; 08-07-2006 at 11:23 AM.
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