T-Mac Says Finals was Rigged

[crgassoc]

I'm enjoying this.

[monosylab1k]

My point all along was just as the Mavs feel that's there's evidence that they were on the wrong end of some conspiracy to bring a le to Miami, Spurs fans have rather similar evidence to support a similar inference.

If it's all about ONE GAME, then sure, game 3 of round 2 and game 5 of the Finals are very similar. when referring to the ENTIRE SERIES, it's bull . the numbers would suggest that the Spurs and Mavs played a fairly even series while in the Finals, the Heat were the benefactor of very lopsided officiating.

If it happened the whole series (like the Finals) then maybe you'd have a reason to about it, and to about Mavs fans ing. Seeing how it didn't (unlike the Finals) I don't see how you have any point whatsoever.

And since you're so good at digging up old posts of mine, why don't you find the one where I talk about just how in' stupid most Mavs fans are?

You choose to discount that difference by looking to the totality of each seriesIn neither cir stance did the argument depend on the course of the series; in each case, it related solely to a particular game and, really, particular portions of that game. In each case, the game happened to be pivotal (the Spurs with a chance to regain HCA and momentum in Game 3; the Mavs with a chance to have a close-out opportunity in Game 6 or face elimination). In each case, the arguments were rooted in similar claims of impropriety. I don't see how one can honestly distinguish those events and reach different conclusions about them.

I don't see many Mavs fans ing about that one game. They about the Finals as a whole. If that one game was the only instance of lopsided officiating, it would be the same situation.

Frankly, I think complaints about officiating dictating outcomes are weak and utterly ridiculous.

Agreed 100%. But yet it still seems like you're ing about Mavs fans while continuing to bring up game 3, in essence ing about game 3. if it really doesn't matter, if you say you're not gonna about it, then don't in bring that up anymore. Cuz in the end, in every series (including the Finals), the team that deserved to win ended up winning. end of story. don't bring up another team's ing when you're doing plenty of ing yourself.

[monosylab1k]

I made no assumptions. I simply noted your previous assertion, which came to me by happenstance.

Have a nice day.

LOL. i enjoy your comedy, sir.

[Obstructed_View]

Mavs homer masquerading. Perhaps the Hawks weren't the best choice to increase one's street cred.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

i think everyone should just shut up and wait for next season to start its over give it up already nothing you say or do is gonna change the outcome..

[monosylab1k]

Mavs homer masquerading. Perhaps the Hawks weren't the best choice to increase one's street cred.

Not quite. just a Mavs fan cuz I live in Dallas, but a bigger Hawks fan. one thing I'll side with Mavs fans is that I ing hate the Spurs. Not sure what street cred has to do with it, but if it does, the folks in Atlanta definitely got alot more of it than anybody in SA.

[FromWayDowntown]

If it's all about ONE GAME, then sure, game 3 of round 2 and game 5 of the Finals are very similar. when referring to the ENTIRE SERIES, it's bull . the numbers would suggest that the Spurs and Mavs played a fairly even series while in the Finals, the Heat were the benefactor of very lopsided officiating.

Sure. I never referred to the whole series with regard to the Spurs and Mavericks. And I don't recall Mavs fans doing much complaining about officiating -- other than the usual crap that ensues from the chorus on one side after a playoff loss -- until Game 5. The Mavs had only themselves to blame for losing Game 3 and they had a 7 point 4th Quarter (that was not impacted in any way by officiating) to blame for their Game 4 loss.

If it happened the whole series (like the Finals) then maybe you'd have a reason to about it, and to about Mavs fans ing. Seeing how it didn't (unlike the Finals) I don't see how you have any point whatsoever.

But that's the point -- it didn't happen for the whole series in the Finals. Yes, the Heat shot more free throws over the course of 6 games. But in Games 1-4 of the Finals, there were 98 fouls called on the Mavericks and 97 on the Heat. The FTA disparity is largely a matter of cir stance, but if you wanted to look at a number as indicative of overbearing officiating, the personal fouls category strikes me as more persuasive. And there, until Game 5, there was no meaningful disparity.

And since you're so good at digging up old posts of mine, why don't you find the one where I talk about just how in' stupid most Mavs fans are?

Feel free to post that. I'm not at all inclined to dig through your old posts. Like I say, I happened upon that particular post by coincidence and coincidence only.

I don't see many Mavs fans ing about that one game. They about the Finals as a whole. If that one game was the only instance of lopsided officiating, it would be the same situation.

I'm not sure how they could about the Finals as a whole except in some fit of revisionist history. The Mavs had the FTA advantage in Game 1 and were called for fewer personal fouls. In Game 2, they were behind by only 4 in FTA and won the game -- I doubt there was much ing about the officiating at that point. In Game 3, Dirk was on the line in the closing seconds with a chance to win the game for his team and choked; again, not really a matter of officiating, though I suppose one could argue that the Heat did shoot more free throws while being called for fewer fouls -- but in Game 3, those differentials were relatively small and not surprising for an NBA playoff game (Heat were +8 in FTA and Mavs were +6 in personal fouls). Game 4, again, had nothing do with officiating unless the officials were somehow keeping the Mavs shooters from finding the bottom of the net.

Jaded by the feeling that they were screwed in Game 5, Mavs fans who are so inclined have apparently decided that the conspiracy was afoot before the Finals even started, despite the facts to the contrary.

Agreed 100%. But yet it still seems like you're ing about Mavs fans while continuing to bring up game 3, in essence ing about game 3. if it really doesn't matter, if you say you're not gonna about it, then don't in bring that up anymore. Cuz in the end, in every series (including the Finals), the team that deserved to win ended up winning. end of story. don't bring up another team's ing when you're doing plenty of ing yourself.

I've never once ed about Game 3. The Spurs had their chances to win and didn't. It happens.

My sole point, again, is that for every Mavs fan who is inclined to about the 2 game officiating issue that existed in the Finals, there is a Spurs fan who can say the same things about the WCSF. Since the arguments are identical, it seems to me that one group can't be ing if the other is lodging principled complaints. I disagree with both groups and think that anyone who thinks the Finals were rigged is a complete fool. I wish they'd all cut it out and move on. But I'm certainly inclined to stick up for my friends who choose to pursue that argument if some fan calls my friends duplicitous while seeing the reasoning behind the complaints of Mavs fans.

[mavsfan1000]

It is true the spurs got the short end of the calls against the mavs at certain times but the mavs could also complain about game 6 and 7 about the refs vs. the spurs. Luckily they won game 7 despite the horrendous calls that got the spurs back in the game. It got to the point in the mavs and heat series where you expect Wade to get all the calls and Dirk to get very few. The FT disparity became ridiculous from game 3 and on. I know 1 bad call here and there is expected but not consistent bad calls that happen to the mavs in 4 straight games.

[monosylab1k]

The FTA disparity is largely a matter of cir stance, but if you wanted to look at a number as indicative of overbearing officiating, the personal fouls category strikes me as more persuasive.

I would strongly disagree with this, but it's not worth wasting time over at this point. I'm sick of Mavs fans screaming conspiracy, and I'm sick of Spurs fans ing about getting screwed, but mostly i'm sick of the Spurs fans because I hate the Spurs. And "coincidence" my ass, you know what you were trying to imply, but whatever. I freely admit that I hate the Spurs and like the Mavs. and the Hawks more than either of them.

[ChumpDumper]

don't bring up another team's ing when you're doing plenty of ing yourself.

[Beer is Good]

Why are people still following the NBA when they insist it's rigged?

Because it provides first class "WWE like" entertainment by guessing which team the commish is gonna wreak havoc on next. That little bas !!

[monosylab1k]

...your point?

[monosylab1k]

Because it provides first class "WWE like" entertainment by guessing which team the commish is gonna wreak havoc on next. That little bas !!

plus, rigged or not, it's also less boring than baseball, hockey, or soccer.

[sprrs]

here you go, homey. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_gu...av=ArticleList

notable is..."If all officials possess the same conception there will be a guaranteed uniformity in the administration of all contests."

also note..."The restrictions placed upon the player by the rules are intended to create a balance of play, equal opportunity for the defense and the offense"

foul calls don't have to be even, but according to the rulebook, if an official is doing his job propery, everything will balance out in the end. have a nice day.

OK so if one team is intentionally fouling the out of another team, and get called for it, the refs should call the same amount of fouls for a team that doesn't commit any, just to keep it even?

Smart.

[ChumpDumper]

Every game should end in a tie, apparently.

That would be uniform.

[mabber]

There's no way that the finals were rigged in any way, but it's amazing how that thought has taken on a life of it's own all around the country (much more so than even with some Mav fans). There are a lot of morons out there! Stern has a PR problem because of this even though it's total BS.

[mardigan]

This whole argument is stemming from a guy who cant finish a season. The Spurs lost, big ing deal, the series wasnt rigged, we just lost. And if Mavs fans really think the finals were rigged, thats fine because they are just making excuses for their team with no heart, discipline, or maturity. And Cuban will never win a championship because his team has taken on his traits. Thank god for the Cowboys or Dallas would be 100% bag as apposed to 75-80. Oh, and congrats on Devean George, Austin Croshere, and Anthony Johnson, Mavs making moves since 2000

[monosylab1k]

OK so if one team is intentionally fouling the out of another team, and get called for it, the refs should call the same amount of fouls for a team that doesn't commit any, just to keep it even?

Smart.

And why exactly would one team intentionally foul the out of the other? Wherein lies the strategy to win the game? This is the same dip mentality that led people to say "well if the cowboys are undefeated when Emmitt Smith runs the ball over 20 times in a game, why don't they just run it the first 20 plays and they'll be guaranteed a win!" Dumbass.

And in the rare time when both teams are "intentionally fouling the out of each other", but only one team is getting called for the fouls, then obviously something ed up is going on.

[ChumpDumper]

There are a lot of morons out there!

Mavfan is wise.

[monosylab1k]

Every game should end in a tie, apparently.

That would be uniform.

every game should end with the best team winning, not the team that gets the majority of the calls.

[monosylab1k]

Thank god for the Cowboys or Dallas would be 100% bag as apposed to 75-80.

The Cowboys did go out and get T.O. however...does that affect the bag meter any?

[ChumpDumper]

every game should end with the best team winning, not the team that gets the majority of the calls.

So the team that gets the minority of the calls should win!

Eureka!

[mardigan]

Not until he slaps Bledsoe, I think Vanderjagt affects the meter even more though

[ChumpDumper]

The Cowboys did go out and get T.O. however...does that affect the bag meter any?

That's the desperation meter.

[monosylab1k]

So the team that gets the minority of the calls should win!

Eureka!

LOL and how did you come to that conclusion?