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  1. #76
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    starting 5's mean nothing, ask the kings or the pistons. At the start of last season, people were saying the Kings had the best starting 5...but no bench and they struggled. same with pistons, they went as far as they can go on 10 legs...
    Who said that?

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    starting 5's mean nothing, ask the kings or the pistons. At the start of last season, people were saying the Kings had the best starting 5...but no bench and they struggled. same with pistons, they went as far as they can go on 10 legs...
    Can you provide a link to the page where people were actually saying that the Kings had the best starting 5

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    Personally I am not sure which team to label the best starting 5. If Amare comes back at 80% like they say he will the Suns have a fair shot to get past the WCF depending on the matchup. Honestly Amare at 80% is alot better than most of the power forward/centers in the West save for Duncan. If they meet the Spurs again in the West with Amare at less than 100% they will be hard pressed to at least match the pounding they would take inside from Tim. So I guess I would have to for now much to my disliking give the Spurs the edge in that category. The Suns starting 5 from 2004-2005 was to me superior.

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    Personally I am not sure which team to label the best starting 5. If Amare comes back at 80% like they say he will the Suns have a fair shot to get past the WCF depending on the matchup. Honestly Amare at 80% is alot better than most of the power forward/centers in the West save for Duncan. If they meet the Spurs again in the West with Amare at less than 100% they will be hard pressed to at least match the pounding they would take inside from Tim. So I guess I would have to for now much to my disliking give the Spurs the edge in that category. The Suns starting 5 from 2004-2005 was to me superior.

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    I guess you don't consider Dirk a power forward even though he does play the 4 position.

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    I guess you don't consider Dirk a power forward even though he does play the 4 position.
    Amare likes to play around the basket more than Dirk. Dirk for all his talent spends too much time on the perimeter jacking up 3s instead of driving to the basket.
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    Amare likes to play around the basket more than Dirk. Dirk for all his talent spends too much time on the perimeter jacking up 3s instead of driving to the basket.
    Have you been watching last season at all...Dirk has been driving to the basket instead of jacking up 3s...his 3 pt attempts are a lot less than when he first started playing

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    Let's evaluate it another way -
    if you could pick one player from each team who you'd like to build your dream roster, who would you pick?

    C - Duncan
    PF - Brand
    SF - Marion or Diaw - too tough to call. Marion is better but Diaw is younger and so versatile
    SG - Wade
    PG - Nash

    By this measure, Suns still have it, because they have 2 of the 5 spots. Plus, a healthy Amare is pretty much even with TD (see 2005 WCF) which would give them 3 out of 5 spots. And Raja Bell and Kurt Thomas are solid role players as your fourth and fifth starters.

    They're still not winning any championships, and I'm still not sure Amare's ever coming back 100%, but Suns have - ON PAPER - the best starting five.

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    IF Stoudemire can come back, yes. Otherwise nope.
    I do not believe that Amare will ever be the explosive finisher he was. Not saying he won't be good or even great, but 2 years ago we were calling him the best finisher ever. I think that little extra spring will be missing.

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    Amare likes to play around the basket more than Dirk. Dirk for all his talent spends too much time on the perimeter jacking up 3s instead of driving to the basket.
    Dirk spends 80% of his time in the mid-post area. Shooting from there or taking the ball to the hoop. He doesn't shoot many 3's anymore but most NBA fans don't realize that yet cuz it usually takes 1-2 years for perception to catch up to reality.

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    if you define these 2 "reasons" key things to not overrate him but consider him a good player.. I call hahaha bs.
    I'll call your BS and actually go as far as to say he is the Suns most underrated player. Why? He's one of the few that can actually play great one-on one defense.

    Yep, a Phoenix Sun player and defense used in the same sentence. What a concept!

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    Out of the four teams mentioned I'd go this way.
    PG Nash
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    SF Diaw or Howard
    PF Dirk
    C Amare

    Now if your opening it up to a league wide thing that's another matter.

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    haha i thought id find a spurs vs mavs argument going on in this thread by now

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    Let's evaluate it another way -
    if you could pick one player from each team who you'd like to build your dream roster, who would you pick?

    C - Duncan
    PF - Brand
    SF - Marion or Diaw - too tough to call. Marion is better but Diaw is younger and so versatile
    SG - Wade
    PG - Nash

    By this measure, Suns still have it, because they have 2 of the 5 spots. Plus, a healthy Amare is pretty much even with TD (see 2005 WCF) which would give them 3 out of 5 spots. And Raja Bell and Kurt Thomas are solid role players as your fourth and fifth starters.

    They're still not winning any championships, and I'm still not sure Amare's ever coming back 100%, but Suns have - ON PAPER - the best starting five.

    Ever heard of LeBron James? He plays small forward. How about Tracy McGrady? Though he may move back to SG next year. Ron Artest?

    Shawn Marion is a great player. But, he is only a borderline top 5 small forward. He might be as high as 3, but I would still take LeBron and T-Mac over him. I would also take Artest over him, if it's just based on talent and skill. Kirilenko and Jefferson are also arguably at least as good as the Matrix.

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    Ever heard of LeBron James? He plays small forward. How about Tracy McGrady? Though he may move back to SG next year. Ron Artest?

    Shawn Marion is a great player. But, he is only a borderline top 5 small forward. He might be as high as 3, but I would still take LeBron and T-Mac over him. I would also take Artest over him, if it's just based on talent and skill. Kirilenko and Jefferson are also arguably at least as good as the Matrix.
    i think u misunderstood their post. They weren't choosing from the league. They were choosing from the teams that have been mentioned as having the best starting 5.

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    Out of the four teams mentioned I'd go this way.
    PG Nash
    SG Wade
    SF Diaw or Howard
    PF Dirk
    C Amare

    Now if your opening it up to a league wide thing that's another matter.
    clearly a mavs fan..you include howard..with all those other all stars with the exception of diaw

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    Umm it was rated by position out of the four teams dumbass. Who else are you going to nominate at the SF Walker? I don't think so. Maggette or Thomas? No. That leaves Diaw or Howard which I said was not to clear cut IMO.

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    Why would so many of you choose Nash over young players like Chris Paul? Nash only has 2 or 3 good years left imo.

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    Umm it was rated by position out of the four teams dumbass. Who else are you going to nominate at the SF Walker? I don't think so. Maggette or Thomas? No. That leaves Diaw or Howard which I said was not to clear cut IMO.
    a healthy maggette is still better

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    Because that wasn't part of the original discussion. We we're talking about who had the best starting five out of the Suns, Clips, Mavs, or Heat.

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    I like Maggette alot, but I don't think he's better than either Diaw or Howard IMO.

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    In light of the recent implosion of the Detroit Pistons, I don't think you can say they have the best starting 5 in the NBA anymore.

    So which team does?

    I think that honor now belongs to...the Pheonix Suns.

    Suns
    C Stoudemire
    PF Marion
    SF Diaw
    SG Bell
    PG Nash

    That's a pretty sweet starting 5 right there.

    The Pistons still have a great starting 5. Ben Wallace was NOT da best guy on our team. I still think Detroit has the best.

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    The Pistons still have a great starting 5. Ben Wallace was NOT da best guy on our team. I still think Detroit has the best.
    I never said he was the best guy on your team...although a 3 time running DPOY missing from your starting lineup, may affect your team just a little.

    Oh and At a "best" starting 5 team that includes Nazr Mohammad.

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    I never said he was the best guy on your team...although a 3 time running DPOY missing from your starting lineup, may affect your team just a little.

    Oh and At a "best" starting 5 team that includes Nazr Mohammad.
    The Pistons no longer have the best starting five in the league. No more needs to be said.

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    Starting 5's are way way overrated. Besides, there's always one weak link of the five players.

    How many great starting 5's actually win NBA les? Yeah, maybe the 2004 Pistons, but I can't think of many after that.

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    What does everybody think of a team with this starting 5,

    PG-Chris Paul
    SG-Wade
    SF-Joe Johnson
    PF-Stoudemire
    C-Dwight Howard

    Yes I am saying I would take Johnson over LeBron. Johnson is deadly from 3 point range and is a better defender right now than LeBron. Plus he does not have to score to be effective for a team.
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