Another mother who should be shot...

[Mixability]

Look, it's more than a fair bet that this isn't the only ed up thing that has ever happened to this girl. The question isn't whether she can think for herself, the question is was she even in a position where she had a real choice. If you think about the real power and influence your parents had on you growing up, you'd realize how faulty this line of thinking is.

She had a choice, plain and simple. Like I said before, if she was 9 or 10 and they were giving her toys and kid stuff like that, then yeah the parents should fry. But at 15?!?! Were all of ya'll THAT gullible at 15? She was getting clothes and piercings by being a for her Mom. , for all we know she was probably looking forward to turning 16, so they could get her a car.

[1Parker1]

rape1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rp)
n.

1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.

from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape%20

From what you just said, that's not the definition bro, sorry. Now, in the middle of intercorse, in Texas, a girl can say no and if the guy doesn't stop, that's rape ... but as long as it's consentual and within the age limits, 17+, that's legal intercourse.

No idea about Michigan.

It's called statutory rape. Having sex with a minor. And in most states 15 year olds are considered minors. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the girl consents or not. Statutory rape is statutory rape.

[whottt]

15<17

It's called stautory rape...

You have a nice future ahead of you as a registered sex offender...

Best wishes.

[ChumpDumper]

Were all of ya'll THAT gullible at 15?

We're you growing up in such a ed up household at 15 where your mother offered you up to a pervert for her own happiness?

[Mixability]

15<17

It's called stautory rape...

You have a nice future ahead of you as a registered sex offender...

Best wishes.

Nice addition to your argument.

The boyfriend is guilty, the Mom is guilty and shouldn't have been up for bail, the girl needs psychiatric help if she knew no better.

[Mixability]

We're you growing up in such a ed up household at 15 where your mother offered you up to a pervert for her own happiness?

No, but if I was offered up, I'd be smart enough to go to authorities, before notarizing my signature on a contract.

[ChumpDumper]

No, but if I was offered up, I'd be smart enough to go to authorities, before notarizing my signature on a contract.

And who taught you to stand up for yourself?

[whottt]

a 2 month old won't say no either...get after it boys.

[2Blonde]

They're not gonna understand. Maybe because they believe 15 year olds these days aren't capable of shooting up a school, selling drugs, and being a .

Actually your the one who doesn't understand... That is entirely the point. They are capable of all of all of those things you mentioned because the portions of their brains that controls rational thought are not fully developed yet. Otherwise they might better choices. It's the same reason a little kid gets manipulated by a predator. Everyone has a choice; stay or go, sell drugs/don't sell drugs, drink alcohol/ don't drink. At that age they still don't do a risk/benefit assessment. They just see 2 options and go with the one that offers the most immediate short term gain for them.

This is why kids will lie about a grade in school to their parents knowing full well that when the report card comes home in two weeks the parents will find out. But in the mean time they still don't get chewed out today and get to attend the concert this weekend and get to go out with their friends one more weekend before they are grounded for 2 months for lying.

They are perfectly capable of lying, cheating, stealing and they are also the perfect victim because they are always looking for acceptance. I watch this every day in my daughter and her friends. Girls that age want so badly to be accepted that they will do almost anything. It's a constant battle to teach your daughters to stand up for themselves and be strong, to not give in to peer pressure and feel the need to do what everyone else is doing. It's a lot worse than when I was a teen back in the stone ages.

[Mixability]

And who taught you to stand up for yourself?

I agree that it's a huge assumption to think that these two could even raise a puppy right, but you have to assume the girl isn't retarted :

[whottt]

Danyo...how old are you?

Because if you are over 18 you are proof that even above the age of 18 your brain isn't fully developed...

[ChumpDumper]

I agree that it's a huge assumption to think that these two could even raise a puppy right, but you have to assume the girl isn't retarted

I would argue that in many critical aspects, her development has been severly stunted. But it's not congenital.

[Mixability]

Danyo...how old are you?

Because if you are over 18 you are proof that even above the age of 18 your brain isn't fully developed...

I give up, speaking to YOU is a waste of time. If you spoke less like a moron and more like 2Blonde, who disagrees, but speaks intelligently to me, then maybe I wouldn't call you a stupid .

[furry_spurry]

I agree with you - I just don't think anyone will understand where we're coming from.

So you would RATHER believe that the girl is a manipulative than that the man is a rapist pedophile?

[DarkReign]

I dont know, when I was 15, I knew some sleazy individuals perfectly capable of totally taking advantage of just this sort of situation. I can recall more girls capable of taking advantage of just such a situation than girls that werent.

Whatever. Sick bas s one way or the other, but this total crumbling of emotions for 15 year olds is amazing. Its like you guys forget what it was like when you were 15. At 15, every single person male or female knew what the was up in the world. Contracts for sex, et all would not have been an issue unless they wanted it to be an issue.

So, maybe I am being tough on the young girl, but I use what I know about that age...my own experience.

Doesnt make it right or legal, its just the implication.

[ChumpDumper]

With whottt, you gotta give as good as you get, but you have to have a real argument to begin with.

[DarkReign]

I give up, speaking to YOU is a waste of time. If you spoke less like a moron and more like 2Blonde, who disagrees, but speaks intelligently to me, then maybe I wouldn't call you a stupid .

Welcome to whotts world.

stupid....idiot...moron.... head....loser....

I am smarter! RAWR!
I am veteran! RAWR!
I am whott, hear me RAWR!

[Mixability]

I would argue that in many critical aspects, her development has been severly stunted. But it's not congenital.

I know my side sounds totally unimaginable, but hear me out. I guess I'm just expecting this girl to be smart despite her stupid parents. I would've hoped she would've had outside guidance where she would've learned that what Mom and Dad say isn't always the right thing. Most of us were lucky to have intelligent parents and grow up to be like them, not you whott.

Hopefully she didn't know it was wrong, so maybe it would hurt her less. Maybe she was tricked into thinking she was helping her Mom. Kinda like in the movies when someone's Dad leaves on a trip and leaves the oldest boy in charge. Maybe that's how these s got her to sign the contract. If thats the case, then I'm wrong. I apologize.

[DarkReign]

With whottt, you gotta give as good as you get, but you have to have a real argument to begin with.

Not even remotely true.

[Mixability]

So you would RATHER believe that the girl is a manipulative than that the man is a rapist pedophile?

the man is a rapist pedophile regardless, even without taking the 12 year old girl into consideration. I just can't believe that the 15 year old didn't know what she was doing, but with parents like those, it's not hard to believe.

[tlongII]

I dont know, when I was 15, I knew some sleazy individuals perfectly capable of totally taking advantage of just this sort of situation. I can recall more girls capable of taking advantage of just such a situation than girls that werent.

Whatever. Sick bas s one way or the other, but this total crumbling of emotions for 15 year olds is amazing. Its like you guys forget what it was like when you were 15. At 15, every single person male or female knew what the was up in the world. Contracts for sex, et all would not have been an issue unless they wanted it to be an issue.

So, maybe I am being tough on the young girl, but I use what I know about that age...my own experience.

Doesnt make it right or legal, its just the implication.

That is not the point. The issue being debated is who is to blame for this incident. There is no way you can place blame on the 15 year-old in this situation.

[Mixability]

That is not the point. The issue being debated is who is to blame for this incident. There is no way you can place blame on the 15 year-old in this situation.

She was getting gifts, clothes, etc. in exchange for sex. But then again you might call that a "date"

[tlongII]

She was getting gifts, clothes, etc. in exchange for sex. But then again you might call that a "date"

What about that makes you think she is partly to blame for the crime? Your reasoning makes no sense to me.

[whottt]

I give up, speaking to YOU is a waste of time. If you spoke less like a moron and more like 2Blonde, who disagrees, but speaks intelligently to me, then maybe I wouldn't call you a stupid .

Call me a stupid all you want...the only reason you taken off ignore(which you have been on since like your second post ever) is so I could blast you...


I feel sorry for your daughter if you have one...because you are a ty parent.

If that's insulting to you...good.

[whottt]

Not even remotely true.

Very true...Paed.


Listen to what you guys are saying...

Then think about if you had a daughter...

You have a 15 year old and you don't care if she's getting ed by some s bag...becaus she's old enough to know better?

No scratch that...you don't care if your wife s her out?

What...if your 15 year old wants some attention from Daddy you going to give it to her? I mean she's old enough to make her own decisions right?


Stupid.