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    Are you dismissing what was presented out of hand because you have any reason or concrete proof that contravenes it?

    There was actually a neutral, scientific survey given in that cut and paste. Did you read that?

    I think that the evidence presented that favors the "liberal media" idea is far outweighed by the evidence that disproves that idea.

    Your instant dismissal and the rude way in which you phrased it puts you much closer to what you claim Dan and Boutons to be than I am
    ing A. Tell you what, I'll go start making transcripts of CNN and MSNBC.

    Concrete proof? I can tune in for five minutes and hear it with my own two ears. I'm sorry I don't have some conservative think tank study to back me up on this, but my personal observations of the commentary on those networks is at least as credible as your liberal little "FAIR" study.

    But you know what? You're right. When Lou Dobbs is calling for the impeachment of President Bush for being a liar about Iraq on CNN, the dude is obviously being fair and impartial

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    If one wants to seriously study why American politics has become so partisan and polarized in recent decades, they need look no further than the M$M. However, studies show that both Liberals and Conservatives want their news presented in a prospective in which they agree, whether its real or spin. FAUX News is the Conservative M$M, of that there is little doubt, but there is really no real Liberal media in the U.S., certainly not one that comes close to the liberalness of the BBC. CNN may have Lou Dobbs, but they also have Glenn Beck and Wolf Blitzer is hardly a flaming liberal, in fact, Wolfe Blitzer is hardly anything.

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    Anyone remember when FAUX News won a whistle-blower case based on a activist-Judges legal ruling that news could be fabricated...

    Reporters Blow Whistle on FOX News

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    A popular debate always arises from this question:

    Should the media be responsible for fair reporting or should the audience be responsible for finding the truth themselves?

    I find it a lot easier to do things myself than wait for FOX and CNN to become totally perfectly moderate and fair. Just get news from multiple sources and filter out all the biased trash.

    Should the media be responsible? Yeah, but that'll happen when we have peace on earth.

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    A popular debate always arises from this question:

    Should the media be responsible for fair reporting or should the audience be responsible for finding the truth themselves?

    I find it a lot easier to do things myself than wait for FOX and CNN to become totally perfectly moderate and fair. Just get news from multiple sources and filter out all the biased trash.

    Should the media be responsible? Yeah, but that'll happen when we have peace on earth.
    Present the news as it happens, then put the spin on it. We all have biases so there's nothing wrong with coming across as being supportive of your preferred political party or position.
    The problem I have is when they present news they know is false as fact, i.e., the Dan Rather episode, Reuters photoshopping, the NYTimes plagiarizing columnist, Gore's pack of Global Warming lies do entary, etc. (sorry, can't think of any instances of conservative wrongdoing on that level )

    Some semblance of fairness and balance, like Fox News, that's all I ask.

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    Some semblance of fairness and balance, like Fox News, that's all I ask.
    X billions

    Faux news is the mouthpiece for the NeoCon movement. The BEST that could be said is that they are the COUNTER-balance to the rest, but they are in NO WAY balanced in their coverage.

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    Look, it's pretty obvious Fox News is skewed to the right.

    But trying to assert that CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC are centrist in their view points is just as big a joke as anyone saying Fox is fair.

    I have no problem with Fox being skewed to the right, it's nice to have someone balance out the liberal rhetoric from the other big 5 news channels.

    All you liberals need to just admit the fact that those channels are biased, instead of holding up "studies" by liberal think tanks to try and argue impartiality.

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    Speaking of Lou Dobbs...

    Nightly Nativism

    On May 1 the nationwide boycott billed as "A Day Without Immigrants" was all over the evening news. ABC's World News Tonight reported that "more than a million people took to the streets in thirty cities," part of "a new wave of protests against legislation that would increase the penalties for being in the US illegally." On CBS, "they left their jobs and took to the streets to show us what America would be like without millions of immigrant workers." On Fox, "illegal immigrants and their allies took to streets across America...in an effort to show their economic importance to the country."

    But on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, it was a different story. "Hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and their supporters today failed in their attempt to shut down most of our cities to support amnesty for all illegal aliens," the network's 6 pm news anchor reported that evening. Dobbs elaborated in his online column: "It is no accident that they chose May 1 as their day of demonstration and boycott. It is the worldwide day of commemorative demonstrations by various socialist, communist and even anarchic organizations.... No matter which flag demonstrators and protesters carry today, their leadership is showing its true colors to all who will see."

    You might expect that sort of McCarthyesque description from Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh or some other famously right-wing provocateur on Fox or talk-radio. But Lou Dobbs, on CNN? These days, the network once pilloried by conservatives as a leading voice of the "liberal media" is offering an expansive platform to the nation's leading spokesman for anti-immigration hardliners. Night after night, under the rousing headline "Broken Borders," the distinguished-looking 61-year-old instructs his growing audience that illegal immigrants import deadly diseases, rampant crime and international terrorism; they live off welfare, destroy public schools and burden hospitals; what's more, most haven't even learned to speak English. Add that they're foot soldiers sent by the Mexican government to "reconquer" the Southwest, and by the end of the hour, we have seen the enemy--and he's a Spanish-speaking immigrant. Despite the grave threat, Dobbs declares, our lawmakers are doing nothing about it. Thus Dobbs branded the recent bipartisan Senate reform bill, designed to allow more immigrants to work here legally while also securing the borders, "The Amnesty Agenda"--a "pathetic sham" that would make a "mockery" of the American people.

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    Dobbs's hysteria and jingoism are now notorious. He's been ridiculed by Jon Stewart on The Daily Show for calling for the abolition of "ethnocentric" holidays that involve waving other nations' flags (thus eliminating St. Patrick's Day); by Andy Borowitz, who wrote in Newsweek that President Bush had decided to move Dobbs to the Mexican border instead of 6,000 National Guard troops; and by the hosts of a Los Angeles radio show, who recently offered a cash prize to the first illegal immigrant mother to name her baby Lou Dobbs.
    Much, much more on Dobbs: The Nation

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    Nbadan is correct. Lou Dobbs is an unhinged paleocon-turned-populist, not a liberal.

    You can only give a guy so much credit for owning AHF, though. That is about as difficult as brushing one's teeth.

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    Some semblance of fairness and balance, like Fox News, that's all I ask.


    C'mon joch. Be serious!

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    CNN is probably the most left, anti-Iserael,anti-America channel out there. If Cnn ever happens to be on, I feel like I am watching aljazeera.

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    C'mon joch. Be serious!
    I was speaking with a bit of humor in mind when I posted that. However, I don't consider reporting with a pro-American slant to be unfair or unbalanced as I am an American citizen. I'll let the comment stand as is.

    I'm not referring to the Hannity's and O'Reilly's, just the news.





    btw smeagol, any comment on post #59 from the "Possible key human evolution genes identified" thread? Don't post it here if you do
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    NBADAN don't you understand. the neocons are fighting your god hating, gay loving agenda for you. If it weren't for republicans who the is going to nuke iran after they nuke us?.............................Islam is at war with a hedonistic, pagan, loving, porn watching, tattooed America and in a war the righteous usaully prevail.....ask hitler.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!

    And with a little truth to it…. I thought they hated us cause we are free??? lol

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    Nbadan is correct. Lou Dobbs is an unhinged paleocon-turned-populist, not a liberal.

    You can only give a guy so much credit for owning AHF, though. That is about as difficult as brushing one's teeth.

    You're not an intellectual juggernaut yourself either, but showing an example of Lou Dobbs hardline policy on immigration itself does not make Lou Dobbs paleo conservative, like supporting the american presence in Iraq makes Hillary a marxist liberal turned neocon.

    Show me a straight issue liberal who does not stray from his ideology outside of Dan.

    It's nice to know we have a Beckett baseball card quality rating system that get's to promote whose in the know and whose not, passing as Extra Stout.

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    You're not an intellectual juggernaut yourself either, but showing an example of Lou Dobbs hardline policy on immigration itself does not make Lou Dobbs paleo conservative, like supporting the american presence in Iraq makes Hillary a marxist liberal turned neocon.

    Show me a straight issue liberal who does not stray from his ideology outside of Dan.

    It's nice to know we have a Beckett baseball card quality rating system that get's to promote whose in the know and whose not, passing as Extra Stout.
    Characterizations of his economic stance are way off base, asserts Dobbs, who describes himself as a lifelong Republican
    Dobbs is a lifelong Republican
    Dobbs is a Republican, he's just not a Bush Republican
    Let's see here...
    1) Protectionist
    2) Anti-immigration
    3) Critical of US foreign policy towards Israel
    4) Disenchanted with the President

    I guess by your definition Pat Buchanan is also a liberal.

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    Let's see here...
    1) Protectionist
    2) Anti-immigration
    3) Critical of US foreign policy towards Israel
    4) Disenchanted with the President

    I guess by your definition Pat Buchanan is also a liberal.

    I have no oppinion on Pat Buchannan's political orientation since i would never vote for a paranoid mexophobe whose just a dishonest self served ass like him wether he was paleo, military, country club, social, or reagan conservative.

    As to Lou Dobbs, First of all my point is that Liberals can approve of stingy immigration laws and be xenophobic too. Now, i didn't give my oppinion on what Lou Dobbs was.

    What's funny is that NBAdan's post didn't disprove AHF's post of CNN's politcal bias and coverage because Nbadan's post was just about Lou Dobbs bias, and AHF's was about CNN's coverage as a whole network. But you're to busy trying to come out as Most Valuable Poster-Pseudo Intellectual of the YEar, That you hopped on Dan's nuts so quick that you forgot that both that Dan's argument was a faulty logic argument trying to discredit AHf's premise that CNN leans left.

    But like Dan's logic goes so does yours, and so it is that if Lou Dobbs leans right, thus CNN leans right.



    Well i guess you can use the same argument for Geraldo, Van Susteren and the FNC as being liberal because those tv shows are left leaning. But That would make you seem even more idiotic.

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    That was really something. I like the attempt to use logic there.

    Learn to read the entire thread, not just adjacent posts, before commenting about the posts, gculo.

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    That was really something. I like the attempt to use logic there.

    Learn to read the entire thread, not just adjacent posts, before commenting about the posts, gculo.
    I've read this entire thread dip . ANd it was at first about NbaDan making light of the kidnapped FNC personell, and then it degenerated into a media bias flinging fest, and then NbaDan uttered Lou Dobbs, and you coddled NbaDan's nuts to poke fun at AHF because you really do have an inferiority complex.

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    ^^ Both Extra Stout and Gtown have a Guinness avatar. Hmmmm

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    ^^ Both Extra Stout and Gtown have a Guinness avatar. Hmmmm
    But only one has issues.

    But i will give credit to Extra Stout becuase i believe he first had the Guinness Label. He's still a pile of crap.

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    I've read this entire thread dip . ANd it was at first about NbaDan making light of the kidnapped FNC personell, and then it degenerated into a media bias flinging fest, and then NbaDan uttered Lou Dobbs, and you coddled NbaDan's nuts to poke fun at AHF because you really do have an inferiority complex.
    If you claim to have read the whole thread, then you must have reading comprehension issues. Is English your first or second langauge?

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    ^^ Both Extra Stout and Gtown have a Guinness avatar. Hmmmm
    ES' has more colors

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    Nbadan is correct. Lou Dobbs is an unhinged paleocon-turned-populist, not a liberal.

    You can only give a guy so much credit for owning AHF, though. That is about as difficult as brushing one's teeth.
    Yeah, because Lou Dobbs wants tougher border security and immigration reform, that automatically makes him a Bush supporter and automatically makes CNN a bastion of right wing reporting.


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    Yeah, because Lou Dobbs wants tougher border security and immigration reform, that automatically makes him a Bush supporter and automatically makes CNN a bastion of right wing reporting.

    Well, no he's not a Bush supporter at all; he dislikes Bush intensely.

    But neither is he a liberal, so he can't be taken as an example of the biased liberal media. There are plenty of other good examples of that... say, Anderson Cooper, Katie Couric, pretty much every "objective" news reporter, etc.

    You could say Dobbs is unfair and unbalanced, but you can't say he's liberal any more than Lew Rockwell is liberal.

    As I laid out in my pedantic exchange with RG, most of the mainstream media is quantifiably center-left, except on economic issues, where it is strongly pro-corporation. I also demonstrated the biases, omissions, and misleading elements in the "think tank" study he presented.

    So there is no need to argue against me since I have carried your own argument. I will apologize for the "teeth-brushing" remark which was unnecessary.

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    If you claim to have read the whole thread, then you must have reading comprehension issues. Is English your first or second langauge?

    What does it matter? You have no point in what you are saying, since what you and nbadan are saying has nothing to do with the beggining topic of this thread, and the whole subject has been about media bias of large networks as a whole, and not individual personalities. Go inject your stupidity in the club forum and opine about mundane celebrity gossip because that's all your worth.

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