Dirk or KG?

**mabber** · 08-25-2006

Dirk is the more aggressive offensive player. Garnett is the better all-around player.

To say Garnett is not clutch is utter nonsense. Was nobody watching game 7 of the Wolves-Sacramento series a few years back? KG was dominant in the 4th quarter of that game and was the reason the Wolves advanced. He also won game 3 of that series with a clutch bucket that put them up 3 with under 10 seconds left.

KG has hit buzzer beating and GW shots in the past. In fact, his clutch shooting % is actually higher than Kobe Bryant's. The biggest reason he's not hitting clutch shots now is that everyone and their mother knows the ball is going to Garnett in those situations since there is no other player on that team who is capable of taking it. That, and coach Dwane Casey, did an extremely poor job of diagramming final possession plays for the Wolves in '06. The biggest reason why the Wolves fared so poorly in close games.

However, it has been alarming that he has disappeared in the 4th quarter of several games this past season. I attribute that to the fact that he is much easier to double-triple team which forces him out to the perimeter more than he would like. When Cassell was there in '04, defenses were forced to play a more honest defensive game which left KG with better % shots in the low post.

Simply put, Dirk has always had the better supporting cast. KG hasn't. It's too bad because had Stephon Marbury stayed in Minny, he and KG would have been the next Stockton and Malone. Then, we wouldn't even be having this debate.

I agree, both KG & Dirk have been very clutch throughout their careers. But you can't be clutch and not have won a ring per most of the Spur posters. You just have to live with that if you're going to post on this board. Dirk had the most clutch play of the playoffs in game 7 vs. the Spurs and he's still not clutch to most of these Spur posters. Dirk had 3-4 game winning shots (including one in the playoffs) this season alone. Most of the Spur posters just hate Dallas and everything about it and can't think straight when it comes to analyzing a Mav player or anyone that hasn't won a ring.

Yep, Dirk has always had the better supporting cast. That was the only reason the Mavs beat the T-wolves in consecutive playoff series a few years back cuz both Dirk & KG were both equally good in those series. Nash & Finley were just better than Billups & Wally.

**Drachen** · 08-25-2006

After seeing him shoot, what was it, 98% for the series against us, and coupling that with his year, I have to go with Dirk on this one. Plus he's german, and I could talk to him. Oh, and I dont think there is as much "being a cancer" coming from dirks end as KG's.

**sickdsm** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Whenever Germany was in doubt against Angola, Dirk Nowitzki of the Dallas Mavericks seemed to have all the answers.
Nowitzki scored 47 points and grabbed 16 rebounds to lead Germany to a thrilling 108-103 triple-overtime triumph over Angola in Group B at the World Championship.

After its lone loss to Spain on Monday, Germany (4-1) defeated Panama on Wednesday before outlasting Angola (3-2) in the first triple-overtime contest in tournament history. The Germans clinched second place in Group B and Angola placed third.

This was the third contest this year where the teams combined for a tournament-high 211 points, matching United States' victories over Puerto Rico (111-100) and China (121-90).

Nowitzki buried a 3-pointer late in the first overtime and made two free throws to tie the game, 95-95, after the second. He dominated the third extra session, scoring 11 of Germany's 13 points.

"Everything that happens in a game like this is fun," Nowitzki said. "In a long tournament like this, you always need games that push the team. Hopefully, this is one of them."

Nowitzki made 13-of-29 shots from the floor and hit all 17 free throws. His 47 points is the fifth-highest single-game total in tournament history. Jae Hur of Korea scored 62 in 1990.

"What am I going to say that you didn't see out there?" German coach Dirk Bauermann said. "That's compe ive greatness. He gives you your best when you need it most."

With 25 seconds left in the fourth quarter, Nowitzki found Mithat Demirel for a wide open 3-pointer to tie the game, 69-69.

Angola tried to win it in regulation but Milton Barros was called for charging with three seconds left.

Nowitzki took the game into his hands late in the first extra session, burying a 3-pointer from the left wing over Joaquim Gomes with one second remaining to tie the contest, 83-83.

Angola jumped to a 93-89 lead in the second overtime before Nowitzki made a dunk and Demirel hit a pair of free throws with 5.1 seconds left to tie the score. Barros missed a 3-pointer at the buzzer, prolonging the contest.

Nowitzki opened the third OT with a basket from the arc and three free throws with 2:52 left for a 101-95 edge. Olimpio Cipriano and Mingas made two foul shots apiece and Mingas nailed a jumper to trim the deficit to 103-101 with one minute remaining.

However, Nowitzki sealed the win with another 3-pointer and a pair of free throws in the final with 39 seconds

Yeah you homers are right...Dirk is so unclutch....

I didn't know Angola was a country, i thought it was a virus.

Do they have a flag and boundries and all that such?

I'm glad someone gave them a basketball to play with.

**dirk4mvp** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by sickdsm

I didn't know Angola was a country, i thought it was a virus.

Do they have a flag and boundries and all that such?

I'm glad someone gave them a basketball to play with.

Is that your comeback?

**sickdsm** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by monosylab1k

the great foursome that bickered and fought and ripped the team apart from the inside and promptly got their asses kicked by a far less talented detroit team? that great foursome?

the Wolves should have murdered the Lakers that year. KG was awful in that series as well.

Let me remind you that the wolves took it to six games with their second leading scorer and no NBA quality pgs available.

**sickdsm** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by monosylab1k

you're joking, right?

stephon marbury?

KG could have been malone...stephon marbury has neither the intelligence nor the selflessness to be even remotely close to halfway as great as john stockton. Garnett had a far superior point guard to work with when he had Sam Cassell.

the greatest thing to happen to KG was getting rid of the most overrated, most cancerous player in the NBA today.

Steph can score and cares about it and has an ego.

KG can score but doesn't care about scoring, nor does he have an ego.

Great tandem.

**sickdsm** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by dirk4mvp

Is that your comeback?

I scored the last 15 points in a game of 21 against my 14 yr old nephew.

Does that mean that i'm more clutch than Dirk?

, even TMac's Spur game or Uncle Regg's Knick/ e Lee choke job doesn't compare to that.

SickDSM>Reggie>Kobe>Tmac>Dirk.

I'll care when Angola is known more internationally as a power in basketball than a third world Jamacian Bobsled story.

**dirk4mvp** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by sickdsm

I scored the last 15 points in a game of 21 against my 14 yr old nephew.

Does that mean that i'm more clutch than Dirk?

, even TMac's Spur game or Uncle Regg's Knick/ e Lee choke job doesn't compare to that.

SickDSM>Reggie>Kobe>Tmac>Dirk.

I'll care when Angola is known more internationally as a power in basketball than a third world Jamacian Bobsled story.

You can come 3rd in MVP voting 2 years in a row? You can lead a team to a Western Conf. Championship? Good job.

**sickdsm** · 08-25-2006

No. I'd probably win his league's MVP award up until i'm 50 yrs old, then its debateable.

If they had Western Conference's i'd lead them to the championship.

After all, you come in here with garbage about Angola, why isn' t his league the same thing?

Compe ion means nothing right?

You're just another Cosmo Kramer whooping 12 year old ass in Karate when it comes to clutch performances against Ebola.

**NBA Junkie** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by monosylab1k

you're joking, right?

stephon marbury?

KG could have been malone...stephon marbury has neither the intelligence nor the selflessness to be even remotely close to halfway as great as john stockton. Garnett had a far superior point guard to work with when he had Sam Cassell.

the greatest thing to happen to KG was getting rid of the most overrated, most cancerous player in the NBA today.

Were you even watching NBA basketball ten years ago? These two guys were showing lots of potential as a tandem. The Wolves compiled a 97-85 regular season record during the 2.5 seasons Marbury was there. Sure, the record doesn't look overly impressive. Keep in mind that these were two players who were barely out of their teens who were going through the growing pains of winning in the NBA. Had they continued playing together for several more years, the sky would have been the limit.

But, I understand your argument since you're basing your opinion of Marbury primarily on hindsight due to his recent woes with other teams. Marbury and Garnett had great on court chemistry. Something you wouldn't understand unless you followed the Wolves closely like I did during those years. Garnett never had that second star a team needs to get to the next level and neither did Marbury. Marbury was in the best situation of his career in Minnesota. Unfortunately, it was his jealousy of Garnett that got him out of Minnesota as he forced management to trade him or lose him to free agency with no compensation gained in return.

You have to be joking when you imply that losing Marbury was the best thing that happened to Garnett, correct? I mean, how does losing in the 1st round for seven straight years be the best thing that happened to Garnett?

**NBA Junkie** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by Drachen

After seeing him shoot, what was it, 98% for the series against us, and coupling that with his year, I have to go with Dirk on this one. Plus he's german, and I could talk to him. Oh, and I dont think there is as much "being a cancer" coming from dirks end as KG's.

KG is a cancer? really? when?

Let's get the record straight here. Garnett is unhappy with the direction the team is headed and rightfully so. Never once, has he gone to the media and publicly demanded a trade. All he stated in a recent interview, when asked about a trade, is that it may be in his best interest if the team doesn't improve over the final three years of his contract. He answered a pointed question honestly. It wasn't information he volunteered.

Garnett loves playing in Minnesota and wouldn't mind being a Timberwolve his whole career. Given the current state of the team, I don't see how he can realistically win an NBA le here. And, that, is where his frustration lies.

**Amarelooms** · 08-25-2006

KG will never win a le as long as he is the "go to man" on the team. His only chance is to join a team that has a player than can actually lead with him playing the supporting role. he can't even make the playoffs...forget about le. Sad but true.

**NBA Junkie** · 08-25-2006

Originally Posted by Amarelooms

KG will never win a le as long as he is the "go to man" on the team. His only chance is to join a team that has a player than can actually lead with him playing the supporting role. he can't even make the playoffs...forget about le. Sad but true.

That's just the style that Garnett plays. His biggest problem is that he's unselfish to a fault at times.

What you're saying has some truth to it. except your last sentence. When the Wolves had Cassell as a good second option in '04, Garnett did post career highs in PPG and REB/GM. But, it was Cassell who took and made the big shots in several of their close victories that year.

And, that's why I think Marbury would have made a big impact with the Wolves as he had the tendency to take over ballgames with his ability to hit the clutch shots and his ability to make teammates better with his passing. The problem with Marbury is that he can't decide from one game to the next if he want's to be a 2-guard or a true point guard. It's his biggest weakness, IMO. He's definitely proven that he can do both.

**freedom&justice** · 08-26-2006

Originally Posted by NBA Junkie

KG is a cancer? really? when?

Let's get the record straight here. Garnett is unhappy with the direction the team is headed and rightfully so. Never once, has he gone to the media and publicly demanded a trade. All he stated in a recent interview, when asked about a trade, is that it may be in his best interest if the team doesn't improve over the final three years of his contract. He answered a pointed question honestly. It wasn't information he volunteered.

Garnett loves playing in Minnesota and wouldn't mind being a Timberwolve his whole career. Given the current state of the team, I don't see how he can realistically win an NBA le here. And, that, is where his frustration lies.

Well said. KG has gotta be one of the most loyal superstars out there today. It's nice to see that; team loyalty has become too damn rare.