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    Where does it say at that website anything about a tax cuts and how much is/was?
    That is the site to inform the taxpayer on actually filing a return.

    How about a link to where it actually talks about the tax cut.
    Okay, why don't you just post your financial information and let a few of us tell you what you're apparently too dense to figure out on your own.

    Please be sure and post last year's information as well so we can tell you exactly how much less in taxes you paid.

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    400k troops in Iraq is a very good idea. We have to try to right this horrible wrong. Our current strategy is failing miserably. This war is cancerous and we have to remove the tumor that caused it. To the rest of the world, Bush is the face of danger. I spent August in Europe and they urgently wanted to express this.
    Let's see...

    Ended the despotic regime of Saddam Hussein.

    Held the dogs at bay while the Iraqis ratified their own cons ution and held free and fair elections.

    Just turned over security duties on the second province to the Iraqis today.

    Killed a buttload of terrorists in the process.

    Yeah, I like your definition of failure.

    Europe?

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    Okay, why don't you just post your financial information and let a few of us tell you what you're apparently too dense to figure out on your own.

    Please be sure and post last year's information as well so we can tell you exactly how much less in taxes you paid.
    This would be like giving your credit card number to some stranger over the phone.
    How about posting yours?
    While your are at it post your credit card numbers bank accounts and the passwords too.


    All I asked for is a link that actually talks about the tax cuts and you talk down to me.....and provide no information except your word. I know what my paycheck stubs have said over the past several years, and this tax cut has not gotten to me apparently.

    A simple link to the actual tax cut information and you berate me instead. that is really mature.

    I know dozens....and many more people.....who have seen nothing of these taxs cuts you are so hyped up about. All I know about those tax cuts is what I see paycheck to paycheck, and I see no change.

    BTW.......I am not the only one here to have seen nothing on my check stubs to support you claim to these tax cuts. A couple of others at least have said the same thing I have. You brought it up so provide a link to support your argument.

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    This would be like giving your credit card number to some stranger over the phone.
    How about posting yours?
    While your are at it post your credit card numbers bank accounts and the passwords too.


    All I asked for is a link that actually talks about the tax cuts and you talk down to me.....and provide no information except your word. I know what my paycheck stubs have said over the past several years, and this tax cut has not gotten to me apparently.

    A simple link to the actual tax cut information and you berate me instead. that is really mature.

    I know dozens....and many more people.....who have seen nothing of these taxs cuts you are so hyped up about. All I know about those tax cuts is what I see paycheck to paycheck, and I see no change.
    Okay, what is taken out of your salary and, therefore, reflected on your pay stub is determined by how you fill out your W-4. If you made no changes to your W-4 in the past couple of years, there may not be any difference...I don't know. Why? Because I don't know what you make.

    So, the tax cuts would be realized when you filed your annual return with the IRS. And, depending on how you did that, you may or may not know what kind of benefits you realized.

    The way you're phrasing your rant about the tax cut is indicative of a person that hasn't been paying attention to the news, their taxes, or both. You had the condescension coming, in my opinion.

    Unfortunately, the Tax Code is an unwieldy beast and I'm not sure exactly which parts were affected by the President's tax cut but, I do know the effective tax rate went down for EVERYONE so, unless you experienced a significant pay raise or incurred a hefty taxable windfall, or unless you screwed up your return, there is little chance you paid more or even the same amount of taxes in 2005 that you did in 2004.

    That's the best I can do. I know of no one that paid more in taxes last year unless their taxable income outpaced the tax cut we all received across the board without exception.

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    Here's a simple execise for you Cheryl.

    Take your 2004 tax return and your 2005 tax return. Look at your Gross Income for both years. Then, look at your amount of taxes paid for both years.

    Keep in mind that, depending on your income and deductions this could be a negative number.

    So, if your Gross Income was about the same then it will be real easy to tell if your taxes went up or down. If they're different, it might be easier if you calculated a percentage amount instead of looking at the straight dollar amount.

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    The marginalized tax-cut is insignificant for those making less than $100g's/per. Yes, eveyone is paying a lower effective tax rate than 2005, but we are having to pay more of our money toward the credit card that we are racking up because we aren't bringing home enough money to pay our commitments. How long can this borrow and spend by the 'Conservative Party' continue?

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    They are slightly different....and the percentages haven't changed....so where are the tax cuts?

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    They are slightly different....and the percentages haven't changed....so where are the tax cuts?
    I don't know...I guess you didn't get one. Sorry. Better luck next time.

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    Okay - I went to the IRS website and looked under "Tax Stats" and here is what I found:

    Tax rates in 1999 (%) Tax rates in 2001 (%)
    10 8
    15 10
    20 15
    25 20
    28 25
    31 30.5
    36 35.5
    39.6 39.1

    Now, do you see the difference? Also, this kinda debunks the notion that the richest americans got the biggest tax cut!

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    Will the tax-cut win for the wingnuts in November? dubya plays the tax card....

    Bush on Democrats: 'They will raise your taxes'

    TAMPA, Fla., Sept 21 (Reuters)
    - President George W. Bush charged on Thursday that Democrats would raise taxes if put in control of the U.S. Congress, turning to a familiar campaign theme as he seeks to stave off Republican losses in November.

    "If they get control of the House of Representatives, they'll raise your taxes. It'll hurt our economy. And that's why we're not going to let them get control of the House of Representatives," Bush said.

    ...

    Bush warned Democrats will say they have to raise taxes to balance the budget. "They will raise your taxes and figure out new ways to spend your money," he said. "The best way to balance the budget is to keep pro-growth policies in place."
    Alertnet

    The taxes are coming! The taxes are coming!

    Run for your lives!!!



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    Unfortunately, the Tax Code is an unwieldy beast and I'm not sure exactly which parts were affected by the President's tax cut but, I do know the effective tax rate went down for EVERYONE so
    You know everyone got but don't know which parts?
    If you made no changes to your W-4 in the past couple of years, there may not be any difference...I don't know.
    And yet you are swearing up and down EVERYONE got a tax cut.
    You had the condescension coming, in my opinion.
    I asked for a simple link....and received none....after I said that I saw no changes. So being condescending is the only way to communicate your ideas?

    I have noticed you act like you know everything about everthing and when someone starts to question you, you becoming condescending towards them.
    This is one of the many problems with our government and the reason too little gets done. People that act like you are acting create nothing but animosity, so when things come up for debate, they create problems just in spite.

    Sure my refunds and such have changed but that is because I received raises, the tax percentage has been the virtually the same. If it did drop any it was too insignifcant to even get excited about. If it happens to be that small.....I don't see why you are so hyped up about it.

    You act like I am going after you in some way.....I asked for a link or two to get better information.......and you go off. Like I said before that....not very mature.

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    Sorry yoni but Saddam was the only guy who could control things. Don't harp on how he did it if you support a man that invades and kills without justice or merit. What's good for the goose......

    Dogs at bay or throwing them meat of dead Iraqi inocent. Tell the troops atleast you held them at bay before you gave your life for a lie.

    2nd province will allow more room for both sides to operate. I'm guessing there will be more desertions from the Iraqi side.

    Buttload of dead is nothing more than headcounts. 6,600 in the last 2 months alone. Excellent job mr. president.

    We already know how you feel about Europe. Remain isolated yoni. You present no help towards the future.

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    Another interesting tidbit - in 1999, there were 864,306 returns filed by those in the top bracket; in 2001, there were 846,345. That means the number of very wealthly individuals actually went down.

    Also, in 1999, the number of returns in the lowest bracket was 9,308,031; in 2001, there were 2,735,436. You tell me - does that mean over 6.5 million people raised their income enough to move into a higher bracket? Or did they just not file returns?

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    I don't know...I guess you didn't get one. Sorry. Better luck next time.
    I am not buying a lottery ticket.
    You said
    EVERYONE got tax cuts.
    That is like saying in a way....everyone gets a car......you didn't?......gee sorry....better luck next time.

    I am not the only one that saw nothing.

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    You know everyone got but don't know which parts?
    Yes, I know this because the President's plan effected tax rate cuts on every income scale and it increased deductions in by removing the marriage penalty, allowing more for charitable giving, and increasing the child credit.

    Nothing in the President's implemented tax plan left anyone at the same rate or increased any other area of taxes. Period.

    No one's tax burden remained the same and no one's tax burden rose. Everyone's tax burden fell. It's that simple. That's how I know everyone got a tax cut.

    And yet you are swearing up and down EVERYONE got a tax cut.
    Yep.

    I asked for a simple link....and received none....after I said that I saw no changes. So being condescending is the only way to communicate your ideas?

    I have noticed you act like you know everything about everthing and when someone starts to question you, you becoming condescending towards them.

    This is one of the many problems with our government and the reason too little gets done. People that act like you a

    Sure my refunds and such have changed but that is because I received raises,
    Did your raises put you in a higher bracket?

    the tax percentage has been the virtually the same
    If it did drop any it was too insignifcant to even get excited about. If it happens to be that small.....I don't see why you are so hyped up about it.
    Who said I was hyped up about it. The fact is that the tax rates dropped for everyone. I don't know who does the accounting at your place of employment or why the deduction for federal income taxes would remain the same when you've experienced raises and the rate has, by law, changed but, I'd suggest you take it up with them.

    You act like I am going after you in some way.....I asked for a link or two to get better information.......and you go off.
    No, I just think you're being obtuse and are deliberately remaining ignorant. I bet I can go to the irs website and find both the tax rate before the Bush tax cuts and the tax rate afterward for your salary range but, to tell you exactly how much your tax cut amounted to your going to have to reveal other things such as marital status, charitible giving, number of children etc...

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    o Cheryl - did you even bother to read my post showing you the effective tax rates?! Look a few posts up - you'll see your answer!

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    Okay - I went to the IRS website and looked under "Tax Stats" and here is what I found:

    Tax rates in 1999 (%) Tax rates in 2001 (%)
    10 8
    15 10
    20 15
    25 20
    28 25
    31 30.5
    36 35.5
    39.6 39.1

    Now, do you see the difference? Also, this kinda debunks the notion that the richest americans got the biggest tax cut!
    What numbers do those correspond with in regards to amount earned?

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    Gosh darn it Yoni, Cheryl - read post #84!

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    I am not buying a lottery ticket.
    You said
    EVERYONE got tax cuts.
    That is like saying in a way....everyone gets a car......you didn't?......gee sorry....better luck next time.

    I am not the only one that saw nothing.
    I can't help that your blind.

    For me to show you your tax cut you're going to have to tell me things you're not going to so, I'd say go to an accountant and ask them where your tax cut is.

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    What numbers do those correspond with in regards to amount earned?
    For the love of Pete. He should send you a bill.

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    What numbers do those correspond with in regards to amount earned?
    Okay, you read my post. It didn't give the income range for each bracket - but it's obvious that EVERYONE's tax rate went down!

    Like I said before, I earn less than $30,000, and my tax bracket went from 15% to 10%.

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    No, I just think you're being obtuse and are deliberately remaining ignorant.
    Yep.....I love to be ignorant about my money.
    I am asking questions and you post this kind of reply.
    I can't help that your blind.
    And so you just insult me even more.

    At least Crookshanks is discussing in a civilized manor. He is also not be condencending.
    And he is giving me some information.

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    Yep.....I love to be ignorant about my money.
    I am asking questions and you post this kind of reply.

    And so you just insult me even more.

    At least Crookshanks is discussing in a civilized manor. He is also not be condencending.
    And he is giving me some information.
    So, ignore me. I don't get people that get their panties all in a wad on this forum.

    Look, you're an idiot about your taxes. That's okay, many people are. But, damn, you come in hear and expect everyone to be your google engine. The answers are out there -- go find them.

    I bet it took crook all of 30 seconds to find the tax rate table at irs.gov. You too can browse.

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    So, ignore me. I don't get people that get their panties all in a wad on this forum.

    Look, you're an idiot about your taxes. That's okay, many people are. But, damn, you come in hear and expect everyone to be your google engine. The answers are out there -- go find them.

    I bet it took crook all of 30 seconds to find the tax rate table at irs.gov. You too can browse.
    It took me a little longer - about a minute! Also, for those interested, there is quite a bit of information in those tables. For instance, it tells the total income taxed for each bracket and the amount of tax revenue generated.

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    Okay, you read my post. It didn't give the income range for each bracket - but it's obvious that EVERYONE's tax rate went down!

    Like I said before, I earn less than $30,000, and my tax bracket went from 15% to 10%.
    Did the cuts go into effect on the 2002 EOY taxes? If so I need to go back and find the older returns and stubs from that year. I guess the jump in pay made it look like I didn't get any...if it was in that time period.

    Plus I changed jobs that year and the differnce in pay was significantly higher. I make less than $30,000 as well.

    My bracket is currently similar to yours it seems....give or take some. I was in the lowest one before.

    Thank you for the information, Crooks.


    For the love of Pete. He should send you a bill.
    Get over yourself.....geez.
    Others and myself asked when they went into effect and you failed to answer that. Crooks showed those tax bracket numbers....I guess I missed them on the IRS website.

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