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Fine. I'm a joke. Whatever you say man. You can now join Jimcs50 in the "had to resort to name-calling" line.
The question still stands for the "It doesn't bother me." crowd.
It doesn't bother me, either. How is different than anything else on the news?
Maybe if we'd stop being pussies about airing things like this we could focus on more important things(grand scheme of things) like winning the war...
Fine. I'm a joke. Whatever you say man. You can now join Jimcs50 in the "had to resort to name-calling" line.
The question still stands for the "It doesn't bother me." crowd.
CNN IS the reason we're losing the war!
This is what I don't get, with a horrible situation on the ground in Iraq and a government who can't get done, why do people even give a what CNN does? You have plenty to be angry about in DC.
That evasion training was good! You want people to answer your questions but you ignore the others?
As I said before, if you're upset at CNN, then don't provide them with your patronage. What more would you suggest? You blew that off as though you had a better option.
The fact that you think my opinion means less because I haven't been in combat is bull . Not all of us are meant to serve in the armed forces - anyone who has met me would probably agree that I would suck at it because physically I'm not up for it - I'm short and I have child-bearing hips and generally suck at things like sprinting. However, my brain is still fairly intact, and I believe that it has the capacity to make informed decisions without necessarily having to dodge bullets.
Besides, I am serving my country. I'm not in the line of fire, but I am in AmeriCorps working with trauma victims, and I'm sorry if that does not qualify me to have an opinion about current events
[waits for the oh i didn't mean women comeback]
Try telling that to someone who has been in combat.
I never said you weren't qualified to have an opinion. In an attempt to get back on track, what's your opinion on the CNN footage?Besides, I am serving my country. I'm not in the line of fire, but I am in AmeriCorps working with trauma victims, and I'm sorry if that does not qualify me to have an opinion about current events
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Evasion! Is that the new ABC show? No! Its IceColdBrewski's method!
Obviously, "it doesn't bother me". Thus my response.
And yes, you basically did say that I'm not qualified to have an opinion, seeing as how you're telling me that my opinion is worthless because I haven't been in combat.
Never said your opinion was worthless. that's just you trying to put words in my mouth. Nice try though.
No. Your opinoin isn't worthless, but those of us who have served obviously have a more informed point of view.
Now thats rich.
What exactly did you do in the miltary? What exact training did you recieve that gives you a better handle on media and its effects?
BTW, you're still evading.
If your opinion trumps mine, then you are essentially saying that mine does not matter. If mine does not matter, then you are saying that, yes, it is indeed worthless. That's not putting words in your mouth, that's interpreting what you have already said.
You know, if what you say is true, then why can those of us who haven't been in combat vote? Why should our opinion matter? Why don't we just make it a prerequisite for those public office, those folks making our major decisions, to have been in combat? At least that would have kept Bush out of the White House.
nothing better than seeing that some pampered kids think it's fine to watch their own country's troops gunned down by the enemy.
sure, you're free to express your opinion. in part because some poor schleps bother to put on that uniform and commit to going wherever they are told to go, including halfway around the world to some godforsaken desert to take part in a war which many of them didn't agree.
this is a new low in broadcast journalism. of course, that's a bit redundant.
Pampered kid, now theres a new one. BRB while I run to my Tahoe parked outside. I think thats where I left my response.
They are dying whether we can watch them or not. It's happening, CNN is not creating it. Many of us feel a disconnenct to what is happening over there, whether we admit it or not. Things like this video bring the War back to forefront, where it should be.
This is EXACTLY what my brother who is in the AF and about to go for the THIRD time to a combat area soon said.
ICB, Enigma and AHF act like all troops feel the same way. THEY DON'T. Between my brother and an ex who I am still friendly with, I know better than to think that when a person says "the people I know over there all" are telling the truth. The soldiers are as deeply divided as the rest of America is.
Honestly, at least it gets the majority to remember we are still at war. Most people can name you all the people Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson ed before naming where are troops have been in the last three years. And good luck having them try to find the countries on a map.
Anybody acting like there are simple solutions to all complex issues raised by this engagement are certainly a tad myopic. Some have valid reasons to be, some are just plain ignorant.
It's simple. It's cowardly, just like your administration, who wouldn't send their own or have never fought anything themselves, but they are so quick to support others to go fight and die in a war that You want.
It's easy to evade the truth by labeling me a "typical liberal". You don't want to abandon Your own life, but you're ok with others losing theirs to fight a phony illegal war for You? Yea, that's cowardly.
Hey AHF, read my sig.
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If there's one thing that makes my skin crawl more than this ridiculous war, it's the various measures that have been taken to make it look like something less than a war.
People are dying. Our people are dying. Innocent people are dying. Things are ugly over there.
As much as I would hate to have to see it plastered on my TV every night, I am vehemently opposed to the idea of making it easier for people to stomach what's happening. There are some things in this world that we shouldn't be allowed to hide from so easily.
October 23rd, 2006 7:13 pm
Active-Duty Troops Launch Campaign to Press Congress to End U.S. Occupation of Iraq
65 Members to Send "Appeals for Redress" Under the Military Whistle-blower Protection Act
News Advisory:
For the first time since the U.S. invasion of Iraq, active- duty members of the military are asking Members of Congress to end the U.S. occupation of Iraq and bring American soldiers home.
Sixty-five active-duty members have sent Appeals for Redress to Members of Congress. Three of these people (including two who served in Iraq) and their attorney will speak about this on Wednesday, Oct. 25 at 11 a.m. EDT.
Under the Military Whistle-Blower Protection Act (DOD directive 7050.6), active-duty military, National Guard and Reservists can file and send a protected communication to a Member of Congress regarding any subject without reprisal.
I'm not arguing there aren't troops over there who feel like we shouldn't be there. There's quite a few who signed up several years ago thinking they'd get their GI Bill grants, do some weekend mock combat duty at Ft. Hood, and get on with their lives.ICB, Enigma and AHF act like all troops feel the same way. THEY DON'T. Between my brother and an ex who I am still friendly with, I know better than to think that when a person says "the people I know over there all" are telling the truth. The soldiers are as deeply divided as the rest of America is.
All but one of the people I know over there are (or are going to be) career military types. I guess you can probably argue their perspectives are different from some of the grunts who just planned on the 4 year tour and thanks for my GI Bill loan. Fair enough.
Couple of things here...
First, I'd like to point out that McCain's own son has joined the military. I guess you're probably criticizing Bush and Cheney though? Let's see, Bush has got two daughters who are far from soldier caliber unless you're looking for some PR reps. Cheney? Same for him. I think his *youngest* child is in the mid-30s, which is basically past enlistment.
But hey, call them out, you look like a bad ass to your liberal brethren for doing so, and you can beat off to your post at night.
As for me, like I said - you've got no problem wishing I abandon my life to go sign up, but I don't see you signing up for your beliefs. Just hiding behind the skirt of liberal criticism. Yay for you.
I'm not going to get into it on a public board, but my dad's a Vietnam vet, and he and I made a deal when I was very young about the military. As I respect him more than I do pretty much any other human being on the face of this earth, I'm going to live and honor his request. Not just about the military, but what he's asked of me as a person.
If you've got a problem with that, I don't really know what else to say other than off.
And seeings you seem to think that you know how I feel about ... I'm not okay with anyone losing their lives over a phony war.
BUT....
First, it's not a phony war, although that is a cute liberal saying these days. More power to your pansy asses.
Second, I'd sign up in a minute, even against my father's wishes, if I knew it meant my children wouldn't have to face a world wide conflict against radical Islam, which, like it or not, is where we're headed.
And we're not headed there because of what Pres. Bush has done since he got into office. We're headed there because it's the only path in the future of radical Islam, and one that we're going to have to fight whether we like it or not.
So our armed forces can either step up now and do what needs to be done, or both yours, mine, and our childrens generation will be paying the ultimate price for it.
History will show two things, if I'm unfortunately right:
1. George W. Bush was right for taking the fight to radical Islam.
2. We don't currently have the stomach to do what needs to be done, largely due to the pacifistic left, and we'll end up suffering even greater losses going down the path we're going down now to stop it than if we'd deal with it now.
I served honorably and have seen combat and like I said before, I don't have a problem with it.
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