Some residents want SAHA to stay out of Stone Oak

[MannyIsGod]

They shouldn't value anyone's opinion more then others. However, if they were to build these things say in a different area of town, then no one would complain, however, by starting this process, they have upset a large demographic, a large TAX PAYING demographic in fact. So if you were in SAHA's shoes, would you want to upset no one, or rather a large group of people like this is doing?
Last I looked, there aren't any power plants in much of San Antonio unless you count Calaveras, and that is pretty far removed from everyone. There are no landfills because the aquafer is right under stone oak, God knows you can't dump trash into the ground right over the aquafer.

Your arguments for this are weak.

My arguements are weak? I'm advocating that SAHA do the fiscaly responsible thing and you're advocating they decide where to do place facilities based on who they pisses off. MY arguement is weak?

JB is the only one who has pointed out how this is NIMBY. That was the point I was making with my refrence to landfills and powerplants. I'm not reffering specificaly to those items and specificaly to Stone Oak but rather how people who can afford live in places like Stone Oak can afford to carry on NIMBY fights. Thats why you you're never going to see unpleasent aspects of society in their neighborhoods.

[ShoogarBear]

Note to self: don't ever have a car break down in Stone Oak.

[johnsmith]

As far as nobody complaining if it were in another part of town, I would say wherever they decided to put it, the people there would complain.

Wasn't there a similar issue with a new SAMM shelter somewhere along 1604 on the Northside that got people upset (I want to say Huebner-area, maybe inside the loop)?

I never heard about that one. What I meant though is that if you build low income housing in low income areas, then would people still complain?

My long term outlook on this is that once this is done once, the flood gates are opened. People will begin to look outside of Bexar county for lower taxes as well as further away from the lower class areas of San Antonio. Then everyone can be happy that they will overcome Detroit as the poorest city in America because all the middle to upper class left.

Just my opinion though.

[MannyIsGod]

The choice of Marquis at Legends is making more sense now. Though it's on the golf course, it's infested with mold and has 31% recommended rate from tenants and they are having a hard time renting out the units.

But if they are only putting 64 families there, what do they need two buildings with 350+ units each for?

The other apartments have a 25% reccomended rating as well. There's more than meets the eye here but people are just ready to oppose things based on bull .

[braeden0613]

this is one of the worst ideas ever..its not about class or race, its about property values and crime. I wouldnt buy a $500000 home next to one of these apartment complexes. Theres a lot of crappy places in town to put one of these, go there.

[braeden0613]

I never heard about that one. What I meant though is that if you build low income housing in low income areas, then would people still complain?

My long term outlook on this is that once this is done once, the flood gates are opened. People will begin to look outside of Bexar county for lower taxes as well as further away from the lower class areas of San Antonio. Then everyone can be happy that they will overcome Detroit as the poorest city in America because all the middle to upper class left.

Just my opinion though.

I agree completely...look for the population of far north bexar county, bulverde, boerne, helotes, etc. to increase dramatically.

[Kori Ellis]

The other apartments have a 25% reccomended rating as well. There's more than meets the eye here but people are just ready to oppose things based on bull .

Yeah there's some weirdness. A $40 million loan was taken out to re-finance these two complexes in December 2004.

[MannyIsGod]

I never heard about that one. What I meant though is that if you build low income housing in low income areas, then would people still complain?

My long term outlook on this is that once this is done once, the flood gates are opened. People will begin to look outside of Bexar county for lower taxes as well as further away from the lower class areas of San Antonio. Then everyone can be happy that they will overcome Detroit as the poorest city in America because all the middle to upper class left.

Just my opinion though.

@ the thought that 64 families are going to start a mass exodous out of Bexar county.

You're right. My arguments are really weak.

[SpursWoman]

then the property values

the high valued properties that the people who own them pay the high property taxes on that fund the public school systems! We don't need schools systems afterall ... we can all just get government subsidized housing and live in luxury apartments.

[johnsmith]

My arguements are weak? I'm advocating that SAHA do the fiscaly responsible thing and you're advocating they decide where to do place facilities based on who they pisses off. MY arguement is weak?

JB is the only one who has pointed out how this is NIMBY. That was the point I was making with my refrence to landfills and powerplants. I'm not reffering specificaly to those items and specificaly to Stone Oak but rather how people who can afford live in places like Stone Oak can afford to carry on NIMBY fights. Thats why you you're never going to see unpleasent aspects of society in their neighborhoods.

Your argument has been regarding classism.

Classism is the new racisim. Its not really about the browns/whites anymore, its more aobut the haves and have nots.

Feel free, I never said you shouldn't. But why should the city value your concerns more than the poor mans or the rest of the tax payers?

Where do you draw the line? No one wants to deal with the unpleasent aspects of our society and usually the people that get their way are the people with the type of money that buys a house out in Stone Oak. Thats why there are no power plants in Stone Oak. Thats why there are no landfills in Stone Oak. Thats why the property values of Stone Oak residents are more important than any other consideations.

I couldn't care less if some schmucks are afraid of having someone wearing Pay Less shoes walking on their nice Stone Oak sidewalks.


Edit: again at "its not xenophobia its just rich people fearing poor people"

People are ing irritating. You put them in the same room, and they'll likely get along but if you tell them first that they are from different classes they come in with all kinds of predispositions and stereotypes waiting to be filled.

, I want to see proff that this would lower them to begin with. Its such xenophobic bull .

So spare me from acting as though you arguing something your not. You throw around this nonsense constantly and then mix in one comment regarding fiscal responsibility as if to justify that you are discussing something you are not.

[ShoogarBear]

Hey Manny,

Good to see I got a rise out of you I feel better now. Maybe you can learn to spell while you're building that vocabulary too.

Its not stereotypical nonsense you are a big ing ape and if I saw you at the mall I'd run. Why you might ask, not because you are different than me but because big ass monkeys jump around and yell and throw on the wall so I'd go to where the non Mannyapes are and hope you don't ask for free housing in my area to infect me with your throwing lifestyle. I don't fear the fact that you are different than me or I'm a racist I fear your behavior.

Way to articulate your position in a manner that everyone can see where you're coming from.

[MannyIsGod]

Could you be anymore ignorant.

You're saying we don't live in a classist society? Where do you want me to start on how wrong you are? Do you want me to quote you higher life expectancy for people with more money? Do you want me to talk about how the poor recieve much worse education? Do you want me to talk about how the poor eat much worse nutrion wise? Do you want me to talk about how the poor live in the worst parts of the country?

Are you sure I'm the ignorant one?

[Kori Ellis]

Way to articulate your position in a manner that everyone can see where you're coming from.

[midgetonadonkey]

It kicks ass to be poor.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I never heard about that one. What I meant though is that if you build low income housing in low income areas, then would people still complain?

My long term outlook on this is that once this is done once, the flood gates are opened. People will begin to look outside of Bexar county for lower taxes as well as further away from the lower class areas of San Antonio. Then everyone can be happy that they will overcome Detroit as the poorest city in America because all the middle to upper class left.

Just my opinion though.

Let me do some searching for the SAMM one.

Okay, here's an example. The area I live in (Northwest Crossing) is a very nice area (at least in my eyes), but what has pissed me off is we're on the north edge of the subdivision (I don't know if there's another subdivision between here and 1604) and the one directly north (two or three streets) has no subdivision standards like in ours.

I see broken down cars, boats, unkempt lawns, etc. when driving from here to 1604 and back. I bet if they tried to open one in the middle of NW Crossing, there would be people upset (it's not Stone Oak, but it's not a lower-income area).

Over the past few years, there's been an increase of property crime in our area of the subdivision. Not so much my block, since it's at a 4-way stop that's fairly well-lit near a school, but around, I've seen graffiti, vandalism, et al., but our neighbors pretty much watch out for each other in this small section of our block.

Now, that's not to say it's all bad around us (for example, I know Dio's told me he has a friend in that area I'm talking about, and while Dio is a degenerate sexual deviant online, he's not a criminal - except massive gambling).

Truthfully, I know I'd like to say that I wouldn't mind if something like that came to this area, but once presented with it, I might think differently. I do know that I'd take the time to ask questions and insure that SAHA or whomever was coming in would respect our neighborhood with the tenants they bring in. Contribute to the well-being of our neighborhood and I have no problem.

And by the way, even with that jump in crime (simply observing, no numbers to back it up), the value of our home has jumped significantly, though I believe that's simply because the Bexar County Apparaisal people have their heads up their asses.

[JoeChalupa]

See, call the SAHA and tell them that these folks need to stay in the classy areas then.

I've never been one to tell anyone where or where they cannot live.

[MannyIsGod]

John, the first paragraph in my first post in this thread:

This is the only issue in my mind. If this is the best deal available to SAHA or it makes financial sense, then by all means they should follow through with it. However, if it is simply someone on a crusade to move poor family's to the Stone Oak area then I believe it is foolish and the city better find a better use for tax dollars and spend them far more wisely.

Learn to read.

[MannyIsGod]

Hey Manny,

Good to see I got a rise out of you I feel better now. Maybe you can learn to spell while you're building that vocabulary too.

Its not stereotypical nonsense you are a big ing ape and if I saw you at the mall I'd run. Why you might ask, not because you are different than me but because big ass monkeys jump around and yell and throw on the wall so I'd go to where the non Mannyapes are and hope you don't ask for free housing in my area to infect me with your throwing lifestyle. I don't fear the fact that you are different than me or I'm a racist I fear your behavior.

Thats ok because I have a bigger than you.

[midgetonadonkey]

Thats ok because I have a bigger than you.

[Buddy Holly]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but its 65 out of 600 plus apartment units that will be turned into low cost housing. Not the entire complexes.

[SpursWoman]

And by the way, even with that jump in crime (simply observing, no numbers to back it up), the value of our home has jumped significantly, though I believe that's simply because the Bexar County Apparaisal people have their heads up their asses.

Bexar County Appraisal District will jack up the value of your home to get more property tax money out of you so should take with a grain of salt...that's not the true market value. Any increase or decrease in your home's value will be based on what homes in your area have recently sold for/how long they were listed before they sold/etc., if you ever try to sell or refinance.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but its 65 out of 600 plus apartment units that will be turned into low cost housing. Not the entire complexes.

I don't think specifically, but thanks...you brought up something in my mind.

The complex my friend works at is being forced (I'm not sure if by their management company or some authority) to file low-income housing paperwork on every resident (even if their income levels are more than enough to pay for the apartment).

Also, hers is a FEMA complex for about 3-5 families/units.

Don't know if that helps, but I'll see if I can find more information to decipher what that first comment means exactly.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Bexar County Appraisal District will jack up the value of your home to get more property tax money out of you so should take with a grain of salt...that's not the true market value. Any increase or decrease in your home's value will be based on what homes in your area have recently sold for/how long they were listed before they sold/etc., if you ever try to sell or refinance.

Yeah, we've figured that with sale prices in the area (this is something my parents look at religiously), the true value of our home has increased about 10K since we bought it, not the 20-25K more our house is valued at by BCAD.

And then we've made upgrades to the home and the lot, so that's included, too.

[MannyIsGod]

the high valued properties that the people who own them pay the high property taxes on that fund the public school systems! We don't need schools systems afterall ... we can all just get government subsidized housing and live in luxury apartments.

Its good to see we're still making coherent arguments in this thread. Now 64 families are not only goig to drive people from Bexar county but they're going to drive us all into subsidized housing too.

[JoeChalupa]

Well, I guess a GTG at my place is out of the question.