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No one in present company obviously...
Different era -- had Manu played back then, he would have undoubtedly averaged 32 ppg in the playoffs and would have led the Spurs over the Lakers at least one time. Same is clearly true of Sean Elliott. Who can dispute that?
No one in present company obviously...
To be fair, Kerr was a of a backup point in the 2002-03 season, which Speedy missed almost all of. He was a very reliable backup, and he and Tim ran the pick and roll beautifully. I remember one game in Memphis that year when the Grizz looked so lost trying to decide whether to show on Kerr or stop Tim from rolling to the basket. I remember they ran that play to get Kerr open to hit the shot that sent it to OT, before Tim hit the gamewinner at the buzzer.
Kerr was a very popular Spurs player. In 1999, if you listened to the postgame show on WOAI after any game there would be at least a couple of people calling to ask why Kerr wasn't playing more. Those four threes in a row in game 6 are something that NBA fans outside of San Antonio know well.
It was a different league. It's like baseball. You have to compare eras.
Why not just list the top 10 scorers per game, 100 games minimum? Points seem to do it all for most of you...
Here you go. No Silas? Tough . It's about points.
1. David Robinson 987 34269 20790 7365 14221 .518 6035 8201 .736 25 100 .250 3083 7414 10497 2441 1387 2954 2417 2836
2. George Gervin (H) 709 24471 19383 7526 14647 .514 4258 5061 .841 73 240 .304 1108 2284 3392 2070 892 647 1976 2121
3. Tim Duncan 666 25245 14689 5615 11123 .505 3436 5016 .685 23 113 .204 2141 5879 8020 2092 529 1650 1928 1833
4. Mike Mitc 488 15992 9799 4152 8429 .493 1480 1888 .784 15 67 .224 920 1763 2683 679 319 227 796 1262
5. Sean Elliott 669 22093 9659 3492 7499 .466 2112 2643 .799 563 1485 .379 751 2190 2941 1700 522 257 1199 1452
6. Larry Kenon 318 11550 6733 2799 5678 .493 1134 1373 .826 1 9 .111 1045 2172 3217 1063 547 121 811 783
7. Avery Johnson 644 20009 6486 2700 5544 .487 1064 1500 .709 22 137 .161 262 1047 1309 4474 713 121 1262 1196
8. Alvin Robertson 389 12525 6285 2570 5327 .482 1084 1438 .754 61 228 .268 808 1279 2087 2094 1128 204 1148 1336
9. Artis Gilmore 380 12387 6127 2208 3562 .620 1711 2370 .722 0 12 .000 1094 2577 3671 579 194 700 1008 1282
10. Willie Anderson 451 13611 5946 2487 5228 .476 915 1170 .782 57 233 .245 487 1307 1794 1874 505 279 1001 1234
There was about 15% scoring deflation from that era until today. Even if you take that into account, Gervin had gaudy numbers. Gervin also averaged 6 rebs and 4 asts to go along with 1.5 stls and 1.5 blks. Gervin's scoring was his best attribute, but certainly not his only attribute.
I never said it was all about points...I said it was the major statistical categories, longevity, postseason success/the players contribution to that success. Don't see why you have to make such a straw man argument. I listed Johnny Moore because he was the best assist guy the Spurs ever had (not overall but in the time he played) and for about 3-4 seasons was one of the best PGs in the league.
Here's a nice Gervin fact that cuts across generations...5 straight 1st team All-NBA selections 1978-1982.
When Gervin retired he had the second most blocks by a guard in NBA history....
There's only one player I would pay to see in todays game, George Gervin - Jerry West
George told me he did it by trying to score 4 baskets per quarter - Michael Jordan on how Gervin taught him to win scoring les
I can't believe this is even a debate...
Zunni...you're a tool if you think Gervin was merely a run of the mill scorer...
Scoring points is not that big of a deal, true...although you will find most of the greatest players in NBA history had that particular skill in abundance...
Winning multiple scoring les shooting over 50% at the 2 guard position? That's ing noteworthy...and extremely uncommon, and it's a far ing cry from merely being a scorer, that's being "the scorer", prior to Jordan, that's remaining "the other scorer", aside from Jordan, to this day.
Just stop it.
I wonder where Rodman will end up on this list.
Somewhere between 15-17 is my guess...
an idiot who does not worry if he gets the 800 dollars back, because he makes 500 times that in a year. Some idiot, huh?
You haven't seen anyone say that, because its not true.What I have yet to see is someone else acknowledge that that's pretty much all he ing did,
If you think all Gervin did is score then you didn't watch him play and you missed the bigger picture.
Look at his rebounding stats, numbnuts.
Gervin's rebounding stats were higher than any guard, or sm forward that SA has had besides Rodman and Robertson.
1. Tim Duncan (fact)
2. George Gervin
3. David Robinson
4. Manu Ginobili (potential)
5. Sean Elliott
6. Mike Mitc
7. Johnny Moore
8. Tony Parker (potential)
9. James Silas
10. Larry Kenon
I think, in the end, Parker will have had a better career than Ginobili and will probably be considered the superior player.
Oh no you didnt.I think, in the end, Parker will have had a better career than Ginobili and will probably be considered the superior player.
he will, mainly because he will probably play 5 more years than Manu, because he is so much younger. Had Terry mings played 5 more years with SA, he would probably be #4 on the list.
Anyone else want to put Dave ahead of Tim?
1 Robinson
2 Duncan
3 Gervin
Who is going to end up on this list that's going to piss people off the most? Jaren Jackson seems like a safe bet if they were willing to include SJax for one year of heroics, although I expected to see him already listed. If he cracks the top 20 I'd be pretty angry.
True.
I worked in the locker room for the 84-85 and 85-86 seasons, so I was able to see first hand and up close what Ice was all about, albeit it was the end of his career. Ice was very laconic, so fluid in his skinny-boy movements that it SEEMED like he did not play the game hard. But he was always a compe or and always rose to the challenge.
You can talk about how Manu would have averaged 32ppg back in the 80's, but you would be full of crap. Remember that the L back then had at least 6 fewer teams than the current league, so teams were much deeper than they are now. Back when Ice was winning scoring les, there were teams that had HoFers coming off their benches. On top of that, the Euros had not started influencing the L, so the game was much more physical that it is today. And he did it all wearing shorts that made John Stockton shorts look long.
Just because some idiot can't remember what Ice accomplished because they were dragging around in a dirty diaper at the time doesn't trivialize what the man did.
bump. in fact, this should be stickied.
anyone know who was added this past sunday?
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